RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
DEAR JEREMY, CLAY & KERIK, Excellent info! Thanks so much! Egad! The last thing I need is Newton rings! Your additional info along with Mark's patient replies have convinced me that I will go with the non-ultra Premium! CHEERS! BOB -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Moore [mailto:jeremydmoore@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:12 PM To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca Subject: Re: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs I am using the regular NON-Ultra for Pt/Pd, cyanotype, salt prints, albumen, and gum with no problems. I get newton rings when using the Ultra Premium and had to spray the back of the negatives with a non-UV blocking Krylon matte finish to get rid of the interference patterns against the glass of the NuArc, no problems at all with Newton's rings and the NON-Ultra. On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:46 PM, BOB KISS <bobkiss@caribsurf.com> wrote: > DEAR MARK, > > Thanks for the clarification. Yes, the 17" should do it. > > Still wondering about that "extreme density" issue. Please > recall that I mentioned that I have used ImageSetter negatives with > excellent resulting PT/PD prints. They produced pretty high densities. > What do you mean by extreme? Can you give me a number? Have you ever > needed those densities I can drag out my densitometer and read one of my > ImageSetter negs. Also, what kind of increase in exposure does the Ultra > require. 25%? 50% Double? More? > > I am sorry to be so persistent about this but, as I live in > Barbados, it will cost me a LOT of money to ship this stuff in. If I am > wrong I will be stuck with it and still have to get a replacement. > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > ________________________________ > > From: ender100 [mailto:ender100@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:18 PM > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs > > > > Bob, > > > > I found the curing time with the 3800 inks to be about half an hour for the > Ultra and an hour for the Premium OHP. Not a big difference, since you will > probably have some time between printing the negative and making the print > anyway. You can also hurry the curing with a hair dryer. > > > > Imagine that you were feeding the roll of Pictorico into the printer from a > roll feeder-that is the direction you want to have the curl going. you > should be fine with the 17"-it is perfect for the 3800. > > > > The extra ink holding capacity would only be necessary if you need extreme > densities. I think you will be fine with Premium OHP instead of the Ultra > OHP. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Mark Nelson > > Precision Digital Negatives > > PDN Print Forum @ Yahoo! Groups > > Mark Nelson Photogrphy > > On May 21, 2008, at 1:17:24 PM, "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com> wrote: > > From: > > "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com> > > Subject: > > RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs > > Date: > > May 21, 2008 1:17:24 PM CDT > > To: > > alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > > DEAR MARK, > > Thanks to you and all others for the great info. > > *********Yet one more question. I use a NuArc 26-1ks plate burner and have > always had very reasonable exposure times with ImageSetter negatives. Given > that I will be making negs mostly for PT/PD printing are there any real > advantages to using the Ultra Premium over the Premium? Will I need that > extra ink holding capacity? The scratch resistance sounds useful and the > faster curing sounds even more important. How long do the Ultra Premium and > Premium respectively take to cure? > > Re: Cutting the film and curl. Below you stated, "When you cut > sheets from the rolls, I would suggest always cutting so that the curl of > the Pictorico is in the direction of the paper feed rather than the > direction of the print head travel." I want to make 16X20 prints. If I buy > the 17" wide roll, this dictates that I must cut the film about 22" long > (brochure says max size 17X22 and I want the extra clear film outside my > 16X20 image area) and that dictates the direction of the curl, yes? Does > this mean that I must buy the next wider roll, i.e. the 24" wide roll? > > The reason I want to get this right is that, if I must buy a > roll, I will be making a significant investment in film which I am happy to > do as long as it will be the RIGHT film. > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: ender100 [mailto:ender100@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:37 PM > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs > > > > Bob, > > > > I agree that Pictorico is the way to go. I have used it for years and have > always been happy with the outcome. SInce Mitsubishi has taken over > Pictorico, they have also improved the packaging and cut the price, as Chris > mentioned. > > > > For the 3800, I would suggest the 17" roll of Premium OHP film. You can > easily cut it to any length you want. The Epson 3800 does not have roll > feed, but I don't like using roll feed anyway since it wastes too much film. > When you cut sheets from the rolls, I would suggest always cutting so that > the curl of the Pictorico is in the direction of the paper feed rather than > the direction of the print head travel. > > > > I use the top feed mechanism (the 3800 has three paper feed paths) on the > 3800 and insert the sheet I have cut so that I can bend the top of the sheet > in a reverse curl and conveniently "hook it" against the back side of the > control panel on the printer frame. This will cause it to feed well, since > it puts a little tension on the Pictorico feeding into the machine. > > > > The Premium OHP should be sufficient for most people's use. The Ultra does > have a higher base plus fog, so exposure times are longer. I use the ultra > when I want to increase the ink load a lot for very dense negatives using > the Ink Configuration setting (or with some printers this is found under > Paper Configuration for some odd reason.) The Ultra will take almost all > the ink you can put on it with this method without any puddling or running. > The Ultra also cures faster and is a bit more scratch resistant (I > believe.) > > > > The inks in the new printers such as the 3800 cure faster than the previous > Epson inks. One downside is that the black inks do not provide enough > density with some processes to put a border on the negative that will hide > brush marks. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > phy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 2008, at 9:47:50 AM, "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com> wrote: > > From: > > "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com> > > Subject: > > RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs > > Date: > > May 21, 2008 9:47:50 AM CDT > > To: > > alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > > DEAR DON, CHRIS, & DIANA, > Two more questions: > 1) On the Pictorico web site I see Premium and Ultra Premium. What > is the difference and which to your recommend. > 2) As I need to make 16X20 prints I need the 17X22 film but I don't > see if on the Pictorico site. Am I missing something? > CHEERS! > BOB > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christina Z. Anderson [mailto:zphoto@montana.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:32 AM > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > Subject: Re: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs > > Hi Bob, > > I second Don. Pictorico is wonderful. It is now cheaper, too--20 sheets > for what used to be 15 in a packet of 8.5x11. I just finished a project that > > required me to print about 140 negatives and I had nary a problem. And I > figure at $1 a sheet, that's only $3 per gum print and with all the time I > put into gum that isn't so big a deal. > > Pictorico.com but I think Mitsubishi now owns it or something... > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com> > To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:50 AM > Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs > > >> DEAR DON, >> Thanks for the quick reply! A few questions: >> 1) Which of the two do you prefer, Pictorio or Inkpress? >> 2) From which supplier do you prefer to buy the Pictorio? >> CHEERS! >> BOB >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Don Bryant [mailto:dsbryant@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:39 AM >> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca >> Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs >> >> Bob, >> >> Since price isn't a consideration go for Pictorico OHP. Or you may wish to >> try Inkpress Transparency: >> >> http://www.inkjetart.com/cart/press-transparency-film-c-1_753_937_986.html >> >> Don Bryant >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3116 (20080521) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > > __________ NOD32 3116 (20080521) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone. > > > > > > -- > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mark Nelson > > Precision Digital Negatives > > PDN Print Forum @ Yahoo! Groups > > Mark Nelson Photography > > > > ________________________________ > > Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone. > > __________ NOD32 3118 (20080521) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 3118 (20080521) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
|