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Re: I'm back! Hi to all + Silane?



Welcome back!

In my understanding, Martin first introduced silane to this
group and he probably has lots of info to share with you.

If your goal is to achieve good adhesion on glass, I suggest
trimellitiated gelatin, or at least phthalated gelatin, mixed
with regular gelatin. As a substrate for cyanotype, acid
treated pigskin gelatin of high molecular weight is probably
best (if avg MW is not indicated, go for very high bloom
strength), as this type of gelatin has very strong wet
membrane strength. Acid treated pigskin gelatin can be readily
trimellitiated or phthalated. By mixing about 1/4 to 1/2 of
either of these modified gelatin, adhesion of gelatin to glass
is greatly improved. You don't want to use 100% modified
gelatin because organic hardeners like glutaraldehyde cannot
crosslink 100% modified gelatin at all.

If you have a choice, trimellitiated version offers better
adhesion even at a smaller proportion. Trimellitic anhydride
is also easier to use, although it probably has higher risk of
triggering asthma. (Be careful- don't inhale the dust!)

See this page for more details:

http://silvergrain.org/wiki/Acylated_gelatin

If you are using trimellitic anhydride, you can add it in dry
form, without first dissolving in acetone.

Silane modifies glass surface rather than gelatin, and most
likely can be combined with this modified gelatin technique
with advantage.

--
Ryuji Suzuki
"The truth that I am seeking is in your missing file."
(Bob Dylan, Something's Burning Baby, 1985)


From: Loris Medici <mail@loris.medici.name>
Subject: I'm back! Hi to all + Silane?
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:46:09 +0300 (EEST)

> Hi to all,
> 
> I'm (finally) back home after 6 months of military service.
> 
> As you can easily understand, I'm craving for taking photographs and
> making alt prints. My current priority is working with glass; during
> summer, I want to make cyanotypes and gum prints on glass.
> 
> Browsing the internet, I came across with compounds with the generic name
> "silane". What I understand is that silane compounds can be used as
> intermediate material, to help alt process emulsions (or gelatin primers)
> adhering to glass.
> 
> Is there anyone using silane for such purposes? What is your procedure?
> 
> (My plan is to silanize the glass - which is a self-assembly process as I
> understand it - then coat it with hardened gelatine and then put the alt
> process emulsion on top of this sandwitch...)
> 
> What are your suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Loris.
> 
> P.S. I'm very happy for being around again!
>