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RE: Albumen sensitiser question



Hi Cor

 

Thanks for the info and offer of help. For the moment I’ll stick with brush coating thus elimination the need for titration. With wetplate I’m not sure you need to measure the silver bath, I think the method on Quinn’s board is more academic interest.

 

Thanks

 

John.

 

From: C.Breukel@lumc.nl [mailto:C.Breukel@lumc.nl]
Sent: 03 February 2009 11:55
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: RE: Albumen sensitiser question

 

Hi John,

 

I have posted the titration method as mentioned by Reilly on Quinn’s wet plate forum recently..;-)..

 

(http://albumen.stanford.edu/library/monographs/reilly/app-b.html )

 

It is not that horrible to do, I actually think it’s fun...;-).. It does require a buret and some new chemistry (AmmoniumFerricSulphate).

 

Unfortunately the titration method does for some reason not working for the WPC silver bath, I am trying to get that figured out.  You could also use Scott’s (Strochem) simplified titration method with AgCl, mentioned in the same thread.

 

You can always PM if you need further information or help,

 

Best,

 

Cor

 


From: John Brewer [mailto:john@johnbrewerphotography.com]
Sent: dinsdag 3 februari 2009 2:58
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: RE: Albumen sensitiser question

 

Hi Eric

 

Thanks for your input. The recipe I’m following comes from Christopher James book http://www.christopherjames-studio.com/build/thebookreviews.html .

 

Lots of questions I’m afraid!

 

I’m interested in the way you maintain you AgNO3 bath with kaolin, that sounds like it will save me a lot of agro. I practice wetplate photography and maintain meticulously a silver bath for that. It’s wetplate negs I’m albumen printing. How do you maintain you bath? What is your recipe AgNO3/H20/kaolin/anything else? I understand why you use the kaolin but how do you measure the AgNO3 depletion? Is this by throughput, specific gravity and pH or by feeling/experience/sense? Can the same sensitiser be used for salt printing?

 

J.

 

From: eric nelson [mailto:emanphoto@gmail.com]
Sent: 02 February 2009 23:22
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: Albumen sensitiser question

 

I wouldn't know if there are crystals at the bottom of my agno3 as there is a layer of kaolin at the bottom.  You will need that too if floating your sheets on the agno3 surface to sensitize.  This is because the organic materials in the paper and albumen will darken the solution over time and lower it's effectiveness.  After the solution begins to darken, shake the bottle and let the kaolin settle overnight taking the discoloration with it.  Reilly has a historical illustration of how to set up a siphon for that and mine is nearly identical except that I used a glass milk bottle. :)

 

When you say James, do you mean Reilly?  

 

Since it takes 2-3 minutes of floating the paper on the agno3 solution to properly sensitize albumen, brush or rod coating would be a very uneven coating.  I tried brush coating only once with inferior results UNLESS one wants that kind of look, which could be cool.  But for straight printing/imaging floating gives the best results.


Eric

 

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:54 PM, John Brewer <john@johnbrewerphotography.com> wrote:

Hi folks

 

I made up some silver nitrate sensitiser according to James p 471, that is 15% silver nitrate plus 5% citric acid in distilled water.

I see there is now some crystals at the bottom of the bottle. They weren't there when I made the solution up and sensitised some paper. I can't seem to dissolve them, even with heat and vigorous shaking. What are they? Are they anything to worry about? Can I filter or decant them out?

 

One other thing, James says that coating with a rod is possible. This would be preferable for me at this moment. As the sensitiser is clear, coating under safelights is tricky to say the least. Can I do it under low ambient light as I do quite safely with gum? If not any tips or tricks would be most welcome.

 

Thanks,

 

John.