RE: haunted VDB
Here in Istanbul Montval (product) is a Canson (brand) paper and sold as
Canson Montval!???!?? :)
As I remember it it was a good paper for trad. cyanotypes and vandykes.
Unfortunately the distributor wasn't importing the HP version, only NOT and
rough... (OTOH, I'm not sure if Canson Montval is also manufactured with HP
From: phritz phantom [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: haunted VDB
oh no!! why not??
i just bought a huge roll of the stuff. actually if it doesn't work at all,
it wouldn't be a big loss. it is the cheapes paper. a 10m (i think) roll was
only 20euro. so i thought i'll just try it.
it's a 200gr paper and has a very smooth surface.i guess not many people
here like a surface that smooth.
i haven't printed with it yet, but i planned my first try for tomorrow.
so maybe i can say more then.
Jacques Augustowski schrieb:
> You should not use Canson, it's a terrible paper for alt process. I
> know this paper is popular in Brazil, but there are other brands, try
> Monval and your problems will be over.
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Joao Ribeiro Globo <mailto:email@example.com>
> *To:* firstname.lastname@example.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:14 AM
> *Subject:* Re: haunted VDB
> Hi Francis,
> The prints are inside a plastic bag and kept in a folder.
> I also printed o canson 200g, aparently no grauing, but the prints
> aren't that "old".
> I can shoot some gray prints and put them in a web page for you to
> see the efect.
> I don't use trays exclusively for a unique process, but I wash
> them well after.
> On 30/09/2009, at 10:35, francis schanberger wrote:
>> This is a long shot but when you said stored in a portfolio did
>> you mean an archival storage box (non-buffered) or a
>> photographer's portfolio with plastic protected pages?
>> I noticed a duller brown after a night of dry down when using
>> older VDB (made over 4 months previous).
>> Is there another paper you have printed on which hasn't displayed
>> the graying?
>> Would you be able to scan or photograph a fresh VDB and one that
>> has shifted after 20 days and post them to a web page?
>> Are you re-using the same trays for different processing steps or
>> do you dedicate one tray for each of the clearing fixing steps?
>> -francis schanberger, online doctor of VDB prints
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:18 AM, <C.Breukel@lumc.nl
>> <mailto:C.Breukel@lumc.nl>> wrote:
>> The silver image of VDB is said to be quite vulnerable to
>> attack (by say
>> pollution in the air), since the silver filaments of VDB (if
>> they have
>> that shape) are quite small, in general the smaller the silver
>> filaments, the warmer/browner the image, and toning with gold
>> these silver filaments..but also changes colour (for the
>> better IMHO...)
>> Did the white parts of the image change colour (towards
>> yellow) because
>> that would indicate that you did not fix strong enough,
>> change of colour
>> of the blacks could indicate that you did not wash the fixer
>> out enough
>> (I used also a hypo-clear step)
>> ...but I should stop, my experience with VDB is limited and
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joao Ribeiro Globo [mailto:email@example.com
>> Sent: woensdag 30 september 2009 14:56
>> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
>> Subject: Re: haunted VDB
>> Hi Cor,
>> No treatment other than normal processing and washing.
>> On 30/09/2009, at 09:46, C.Breukel@lumc.nl
>> <mailto:C.Breukel@lumc.nl> wrote:
>> > Joao,
>> > Did you gold tone them?
>> > Cor
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Joao Ribeiro Globo [mailto:email@example.com
>> > Sent: woensdag 30 september 2009 14:32
>> > To: firstname.lastname@example.org
>> > Subject: haunted VDB
>> > Hi Folks
>> > After printing really brown prints with traditional formula
>> on arches
>> > aquarelle and archiving them in a portfolio, some prints
>> changed from
>> > brown to gray.
>> > They were perfect 20 days before.
>> > Does anyone know what might be happening?
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> > Joao
>> Joao Ribeiro
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