Christina Anderson wrote:
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Beware, long and wordy.
Not a problem - words are good.
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Questions for you:
You are at Columbia in Chicago?
No, I used to be at Columbia U. in NYC - now I'm in Alaska
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How do you archive/download the whole list?
You need a spyder program or plug-in (some web authoring packages may
offer this feature), else you could do it manually.
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If downloading the whole list, how much space might it occupy? 2
gigs or 50 or what??
I have no idea what the total size would be, but since it is, with a
few exceptions (and I'm not sure those attachments are archived) all
text I don't think the archvies are, in total, very "big."
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Anyone thought of approaching George Eastman House about this or
is this small change for them?
That is an excellent idea - and GEH / RIT would, I suspect be an
excellent host!!!!!
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What year did the list start?
1994 - I think. I'd have to go to my other machine and check back -
I'll do that later. I jumped on in week #2 after an announcement was
made on Consdist about the "new" list.
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So you have the very first files of the list and are they still
lost from the archives online and only you have them? If so are they
uploadable to the new list location?
The early files that I have, which were lost because of a server crash,
are, as far as I know part of the archives that are currently available
online.
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I think I have made almost all my alt friends (and maybe an
enemy too! :)) on this alt list. I would be lost without it. This
weekend in Seattle, for instance, I got to spend a far-too-short
afternoon with Ron Reeder, seeing his gorgeous platinum and gum work
and talking diginegs. I've been to Clay's house to see his work and
setup and meet all the alt friends in Houston. To Judy's house in NY.
To Terry Lindquist's house in AL. To APIS in NM. Met Sam Wang at
APIS. Mark Nelson thru Sam Wang. Jim Noel and the group in CA. I
could go on and on but the point is the incredible networking of a list
that goes right into my mailbox, unlike Facebook which someone dragged
me onto and I just do NOT get on the web much. I don't need to find
out that someone had a bad day walking their dog, for instance. But
all of these people I would not know except they're on the list.
My next desire is to meet all the Italian altees, if my
university would see the benefit...And I can't believe how active it
seems alt is in Australia--how would we ever know that without the
list! I put my husband onto it to see if Christmas there is in order.
He's so good about coming along with to these alt things as long as
there is exotic travel involved. Alt in Burma perhaps?
Even an occasional flame was exciting! I finally had to stop
telling my husband, "Guess what happened today on the alt list!!" as
his eyes would glaze over. Iron certainly sharpens iron.
Bringing it back to gum (and history) considering I have spent
the last 11 years archiving my 40,000 family of origin photographs,
photographs from the 1920's-70's (culled to 2500, all now being
scanned professionally, 100 of which will ultimately result in tricolor
gums but all 2500 scans will be distributed to the original 8 children
as well as some of them to a historical society in North Central MN)
and now I am beginning on the last 3000 imagesetter negatives from the
history of north central MN (those will be made into gums as well for
an historical show as they are from 1800's--not family stuff) I realize
the importance of preserving the past. Someone has to do it. I
understand the labor of love Malin puts in to the alternative
photography website, many times a thankless task. People have no idea
of the actual hours spent on preserving the past.
I mean, wouldn't it be cool if there was an archive of a
paragraph bio of each and every alt listee? So you could google this
archive for gum and come up with a list of those who made gum their
process of choice???
Oh gol, not another historical project, hold me back.
Chris
On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Greg Schmitz wrote:
BTW, garbing the archives is not that big a deal - and anybody
with even a modicum of drive space (by todays standards) can do it
provided they have the bandwidth and the time. That said, I have, I
think a complete archive of the list in a folder I call alt-photo which
is nothing but saved messages. Some of the very early archives came
from me when Steve Avery had problems with the listserve and lost the
posts - and yeh, I still have the .zip files.
--greg
Greg Schmitz wrote:
Yes, but... Even with commercial hosts like
Google and Yahoo somebody has to moderate - that is the nature of the
beast. Short of going to a web based "chat" format, which I think
would destroy the list, we are stuck with that reality. I think things
are in the works and I have my fingers crossed.
Best --greg
Tomas Sobota wrote:
Greg,
I also understand (and up to a point
share) your concern about longevity. But in that case we need a willing
institution and a willing postmaster to manage the list. Do we have
them right now?
Also, please notice that for the last two
universities that managed the list, we have been just a barely
tolerated parasite on their mail managers. When the person in charge
(Gordon, Avery) had to go, the list also had to go. Does it have to be
that way always?
I think that we have a short term task,
and a medium term task on hand. The short term is to save the list
archives now in the U. of Sask., store them in one of the servers that
have been kindly offered and assure the continuity of the list for the
time being.
The medium term task is of course to find
a more permanent site.
Tom
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Greg
Schmitz <gws1@columbia.edu
<mailto:gws1@columbia.edu>>
wrote:
Tom, I understand your concern, but
the institution that hosted
this website for the last 10 or so
years did so for free and Gord
did the heavy lifting. Academic
institutions are not perfect, but
at least to my experience they have a
longevity on The Internet
that exceeds private and individual
concerns. Based on
experience, and there are a couple of
folks on this list that know
about private concerns that go *poof*
I' think the list would be
better served with an institutional
address.
--greg
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