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Can you please elaborate on how the terms below support
your views on the "inconvenience" of Google (and Yahoo) Groups? I simply
can't see it. (Perhaps my "insufficient" English comprehension is the
culprit?)
To all: Please take a look on the terms/agreement of your
mail/hosting providers/ISPs, you'll see pretty similar statements.
(Surprise!) As a matter of fact, please don't forget that we're on the
"net"; who owns the satellites, fiber backbones, servers, wire services and
all other hardware/software service layers that makes up the internet do you
think? Mostly commercial (or government) entities...
I can understand (and will respect) a simple "I don't like
it and/or I don't want it", but please take care to base your decision on
right reasons if you opt to disclose them, because you may influence
others...
Anyway, I want to enter into an useless (and rather
extremely off-topic) discussion and I said before I'll be there whatever
decision has been taken...
Regards,
Loris.
I agree with
Etienne!
Susan
On 2009-11-12, at 1:25 PM, etienne garbaux
wrote:
copy&paste:
9.1 You acknowledge and
agree that Google (or Google’s licensors) own all legal right, title and
interest in and to the Services, including any intellectual property rights
which subsist in the Services (whether those rights happen to be registered
or not, and wherever in the world those rights may exist). You further
acknowledge that the Services may contain information which is designated
confidential by Google and that you shall not disclose such information
without Google’s prior written consent.
9.4 Other than the limited
license set forth in Section 11, Google acknowledges and agrees that it
obtains no right, title or interest from you (or your licensors) under these
Terms in or to any Content that you submit, post, transmit or display on, or
through, the Services, including any intellectual property rights which
subsist in that Content (whether those rights happen to be registered or
not, and wherever in the world those rights may exist). Unless you have
agreed otherwise in writing with Google, you agree that you are responsible
for protecting and enforcing those rights and that Google has no obligation
to do so on your behalf.
11. Content licence from
you
11.1 You retain copyright
and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or
display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying
the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide,
royalty-free, and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, adapt, modify,
translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any
Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This
licence is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute
and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined
in the Additional Terms of those Services.
11.2 You agree that this
licence includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other
companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships
for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in
connection with the provision of those services.
11.3 You understand that
Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services
to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various
public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your
Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical
requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree
that this licence shall permit Google to take these
actions.
11.4 You confirm and
warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority
necessary to grant the above licence.
Whatever happens with respect to going forward, I would
strenuously object to putting an archive of prior posts in the hands of any
commercial hosting service. No one person (natural or otherwise) or
subset of list members CAN license to or vest in a third party the rights to
the posts in the archive, which the agreement above purports to do -- those
rights belong to the individual posters, who were not on notice at the time
they posted that their rights might be assigned.
Best
regards,
etienne
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