[alt-photo] Re: Arista II OHP transparencies/gum

Paul Viapiano viapiano at pacbell.net
Fri Apr 30 06:47:33 GMT 2010 

Hold up a sheet so it reflects a light bulb from a lamp. The side with the 
duller reflection is the side you print on.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Diana Bloomfield" <dhbloomfield at bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:12 PM
Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Arista II OHP transparencies/gum


> Hi Francis,
>
> I hear you about those dings and marks-- as I've certainly been there, 
> but not with either Pictorico nor with the 2 boxes of Arista I've used 
> (and both boxes had the interleaving sheets of paper between each 
> transparency).  So I'm optimistic.  I have used only the 17x22 Arista 
> size, though.
>
> I honestly don't see a big deal about not having a notched edge to  tell 
> me which side to use.  Actually, I always thought that was a bit  of 
> overkill in Pictorico's manufacturing/design.  Convenient, but not  really 
> necessary.  If in doubt, just tell your students to remember  that the top 
> side out of the (Arista) box is the correct side for  printing, or simply 
> wet a finger and touch an edge.  The side that  sticks is the side that 
> prints.  If not having that notched edge can  frustrate them, I shudder to 
> think about what doing (some) alt  processes might do to them.  Cutting 
> that edge for your students ahead  of time sure is nice of you-- and 
> definitely above and beyond.  I'm  impressed.  They wouldn't be spoiled, 
> would they?  ;)
>
> As far as the 17x22 size, I assume that's because of a 17" carriage.  ??
>
> Diana
>
> On Apr 29, 2010, at 10:46 PM, francis schanberger wrote:
>
>> First let me state that I am a big Arista OHP fan. With that said I  do 
>> think
>> there are some minor issues with Arista.
>>
>> Depending on the day of the week it is made (OK, just when I have 
>> ordered
>> it) it might come with interleaving sheets of paper or none at all  with 
>> the
>> same size of transparency film. When I first started using Arista  for 
>> the
>> vandyke brown prints in May of 2008, every box came with the paper
>> separators. Now none do except for one recent batch of 8 1/2" x 11".
>>
>> Occasionally I have noticed "dings" that look like something a car 
>> collector
>> might look for when evaluating a vintage mustang for possible body  work.
>> They never caused me any problems with continuous tones in my  negatives.
>>
>> I haven't compared different substrates in a while although I got a  few
>> samples of pictorico from the vendors booth at SPE.
>>
>> Like Paul said, it is a drop in replacement for Pictorico. I have  used 
>> my
>> original workflow on both Pictorico and Arista which involve a  couple of
>> curves to build up density. For some reason my students insist on  buying
>> Pictorico because they are usually buying other things from B & H  and I
>> provide them with a palladium curve built upon Arista. It still  works 
>> for
>> their Pictorico.
>>
>> The lack of a clipped corner can frustrate students so I find myself  at
>> workshops clipping the corner off of transparency film ahead of  time. I 
>> gave
>> a Vandyke Brown workshop last Saturday (Bruce, I'll get you  handouts) 
>> and no
>> one used the wrong side of the transparency film.
>>
>> So my question is "Who decided 17" x 22" was a good size for inkjet 
>> media?"
>>
>> -francis
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>>> OK I take back some that I said.
>>>
>>> Inkpress is 7ml thick. PIctorico is 5.2 ml thick. Thus it is  thicker 
>>> than
>>> Pictorico, or, at least, the Pictorico that came in the mail today.
>>> Inkpress is milky just like Pictorico now that I look at it.  But  it 
>>> does
>>> not have the cut corner.
>>>
>>> Why I am confused is I bought a box of it when I did the workshop at
>>> Photographer's Formulary--a 50 sheet box. I only have Pictorico and 
>>> Arista
>>> locally at our bookstore, not Inkpress, but I was confusing it with  an 
>>> off
>>> brand like Staples.
>>>
>>> 8.5x11/50 sheets is a buck a sheet.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.photoformulary.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=2&tabid=9&CategoryID=103&langID=0
>>>
>>> So yes, Jeremy, Inkpress is a drop-in replacement for Pictorico and 
>>> appears
>>> to be equally thick but apparently not--the difference in thickness  may
>>> account for a difference in exposure times a bit.
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Jeremy Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't see that the Arista II is so much cheaper than the  Pictorico.
>>>> Inkjet Art has Pictorico for $47
>>>> (
>>> http://www.inkjetart.com/cart/pictorico-premium-transparency-film-13x19-sheets-p-10252.html
>>> )
>>>> and the Arista II is $42
>>>> (
>>> http://freestylephoto.biz/39313-Arista-II-Inkjet-OHP-Transparency-Film-13x19-20-sheets
>>> )
>>>> for 20x 13"x19" sheets. (8.5x11 it's $19 for Pictorico and $17.99  for
>>>> the Arista II.)
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> Chris, with the Inkpress was it also a drop-in replacement for 
>>>> Pictorico?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net
>>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Jeremy,
>>>>> I have used both and have not had any problems with either.  Ink 
>>>>> Press
>>> is much thinner, more along the lines of the old Photo Warehouse I  used 
>>> to
>>> use but doesn't smear.  Arista is by far the nicer of the two and is
>>> essentially a close enough dupe of Pictorico but perhaps thinner  and 
>>> also no
>>> cut corner so you have to watch it.
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>>>
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>> -- 
>> francis schanberger
>>
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