[alt-photo] Re: 返: Re: Official press release about HPlarge formatnegatives

[Keith Gerling]

Regarding Vermeer, there are arguments that he used a camera obscura in his
work. As an aid in composition and to obtain that "alt look" that many of us
seek.  I think is is very possible that he might have used an Epson with
Photoshop had he the opportunity.  And why not?

http://www.essentialvermeer.com/camera_obscura/co_one.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/vermeer_camera_01.shtml

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Joseph Smigiel <smieglitz at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 15, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Alan MacKellar wrote:
>>
>> Are we not talking about art?  No matter what the process, it's the image
>> that counts.
>>
>
>
> Uhh, no.  If I were confined to making prints from digital negatives or
> using a digital camera to produce images, I would take up oil painting in a
> greater capacity and create my images in that medium.  I consider myself a
> photographer/artist working in antiquated processes that are unequivocally
> photographic, i.e., exposure to light affects the material in use.  Digital
> cameras and inkjet prints & negatives may be popularly considered
> photographic, but not to me.  They are something else and, for the record,
> the only time I feel there might be something wrong with those products and
> processes is when the digital image masquerades or is marketed as something
> it is not (e.g., an inkjet print is not a platinum print or a carbon print
> regardless of whether they are marketed as such by a gallery or artist).
>
> So the process is very important to me and it does no good to argue the
> point about the image being paramount.  I wlll never be convinced of that
> and I have little hope of changing the opinion of those who have embraced
> the digital imaging technology.  But, from what I've seen, the choice of
> medium is important to the final image.  Degas, Magritte, etc., were not
> that good at photography but otherwise were great artists with images only
> successfully realized through a different medium.  Their choice of medium
> made a difference to the ultimate product.  Ever seen an Ansel Adams' in
> color?  Tell me the process isn't important to the vision...  Do you think
> Vermeer would use an Epson or an HP with Photoshop or GIMP on a MAC or PC,
>  Coke or Pepsi,  or do you think he still might choose oils?
>
> When I think of digital negatives, I always come back to thinking they are
> technologically advanced, non-photographic light attenuators akin to the
> materials used to make photograms.  Most of us have made photograms, but
> with rare exception, it is not something we have pursued.  I know how to
> make photograms (and BTW have made a few 9'x9' cyanotype photograms) and I
> know how to create digital negatives and how to make prints from them (in
> Van Dyke, cyanotype, gum, platinum, etc.,) and those light-attenuating
> methods seem very similar to me and of equal (dis)interest.  And then there
> are artists such as Man Ray and several contemporaries on this list who
> obviously were/are both successful and prolific with the methods.  More
> power to you.  It's not where my head is at.  YMMV.  But, I'm also not going
> to dis you or somehow diminish your choice of medium.
>
> As far as the recent announcement,  hooray that HP is finally working with
> those who wish to use that technology to produce prints from inkjet
> negatives.  Go for it & have fun.  Create whatever is in your mind's eye.
>  Print them big, print them small.  Fill the wall.  Sell a million of them
> through the gallery of your choice.  Do what you enjoy and be successful.
>  Live long and prosper  \\ // _
>
> But please don't insist that the process isn't important.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org [mailto:
>> alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of
>> Jeremy Moore
>> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:57 PM
>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re:返: Re: Official press release about HPlarge
>> formatnegatives
>>
>> Terry, surely the print is just the physical manifestation of the image so
>> why does it matter how it's made?
>>
>> This is alt PROCESS and for some of us it does matter what that process
>> is.
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2010 12:24 PM, "Terry King" <terryaking at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Geoff
>>
>>
>> Surely the negative is nothing more than a tool.  If it does it does its
>> job
>> in making the print does it matter how you make it?
>>
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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