[Alt-photo] Was Sulfamic now VDB and pt/pd gold leaf

[Christina Anderson]

Loris,
I don't do gold toner, that's on their own dime. I create bulk supplies for cyano, vdb or argro, casein and gum because it is much cheaper and easier that way. They are on their own for their pt/pd kit and any other process they want to try. I think the initial purchase of gold toner is a bit prohibitive for them after purchasing the pt/pd kit, paper, and Pictorico!

The pt/pd over gold leaf is really exquisite. They did gold, copper, silver. The biggest problem for them was the wrinkling of the vellum but one student mastered it beautifully. Very exquisite tree shadows on buildings at night, 5x5 squares in 8-ply mats.
Chris

Christina Z. Anderson
christinaZanderson.com

On May 7, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Loris Medici wrote:

> Do you include toning w/ VDB and/or Argyrotype? Since you're also doing
> Pt/Pd the price for the toner would mind perhaps?
> 
> Those Pt/Pd over gold leaf are really gorgeous, I would imagine they are
> great sellers - since everybody can understand / relate to that. It's
> sometimes hard to explain laymen (Or should it be laypeople, for the sake
> of being politically correct? - That was a Siegel-esque joke BTW...) that
> the images are formed and/or toned by precious metals salts, since the
> color doesn't fit to their understanding of the particular metal in
> question...
> 
> Regards,
> Loris.
> 
> 
> 2013/5/6 Christina Anderson <christinazanderson at gmail.com>
>> 
>> Loris,
>> You are right about argyrotype. Next year I am thinking of introducing
> kallitype and therefore rotating those three. It might be a great precursor
> to pt/pd.
>> 
>> I usually teach BW calibration, then cyanotype, then VDB or argyrotype,
> pt/pd and combination printing, and then gum/casein. So the semester is a
> little full. Next year I am cutting BW because the class is 4 credits but
> it behaves too much like 5. BUT, if Dan Burkholder is reading this: I had
> bought Dan's video of pt/pd over gold leaf, thinking I'd introduce it as
> just an idea, the second to last class of the semester. Sort of a "this is
> what you can do in the future" class. WELL, at least five of my class tried
> it and THREE did it for their final project! And then they recommended I
> should introduce it during the pt/pd section of the class! Gees.So
> obviously the video is inspiring!
>> Chris
>> 
>> Christina Z. Anderson
>> christinaZanderson.com
>> 
>> On May 6, 2013, at 2:14 AM, Loris Medici wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Christina,
>>> 
>>> Really, Argyrotype is so nicer when you make it work. Currently, I'm
> doing
>>> gold-thiourea toned Argyrotypes, and the Dmax I can get (with just one
> coat
>>> unlike Vandyke) is equal to pop Pd (Ziatype), and the toned images have
> a
>>> quite complex and pleasing hue / split tone. BTW, I'm using Masa for
>>> Argyrotypes: 0.25ml per 10 sq. in. + 1 drop 5% Tween 20 per ml of
>>> sensitizer hit the nail for this paper; easy application, no bleeding,
> no
>>> staining, and a very strong image...
>>> 
>>> It's nice to hear that acetic acid also worked well for you guys, could
> be
>>> useful when you don't have sulfamic on hands. (I happen to not like its
>>> odour too...)
>>> 
>>> Wow! Thanks for the hot water tip, that's a nice one. Noted... Thanks!
> (You
>>> can be sure I'll pass this information if I ever encounter someone who
>>> wants to do Vandykes in the future...)
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Loris.
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