Re: Permanent color processes

Luis Nadeau (nadeaul@nbnet.nb.ca)
Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:06:40 -0400

At 3:46 PM 97/11/04, FotoDave@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 97-11-01 20:07:45 EST, nadeaul@nbnet.nb.ca writes:
>
><< The problem is not that it is a direct carbon process. The problem is that
> the development is not automatic. With almost all other photographic
> processes, a certain amount of light energy gives a specific amount of
> image density. With Fresson the image density is determined by the length
> of the "development" or wash-off when you decide to stop pouring the
> abrasive mixture of sawdust and water. This can be anywhere from 2 minutes
> to perhaps 30 minutes.
>
>So I take it that this step cannot be automated. I mean, can it be done in
>such a way that it always take, say, 3 minutes of sawdust wash? Or is it that
>the effect or sawdust washing is rather hard to control that a simple control
>of time does not work?

The process cannot be automated. On the same print you always use different
concentration of sawdust for different areas of the print at different
moments. For instance, a thick concentration at the very beginning and a
thin concentration at the end. As a rule, a thin concentration gives more
contrast. Some highlight areas may require a thin stream of water/sawdust,
etc. It's wonderful for monochrome work, especially since it is done in
practically broad daylight but doing this in 4 colors... And as with many
processes the prints get darker after drying.

>>> George's 4-color carbon process (I have seen many of his prints) is a
> simplification of the old double transfer tricolor process. He makes his
> own color seps off a scanner (he's been doing this professionally for
> years) and he makes his carbon tissues from scratch using liquid
> dispersions, thus avoiding the mess from grinding, etc. He may want to
> elaborate on the technique here but considering his 200+ pages of notes,
> let's say it's not for those of you who find cyanotype "challenging";-)
>
>Does he make this manual available?

I don't think it's a manual as much as a pile of notes. I may be interested
in publishing his method in a revised edition of my _History and Practice
of Carbon Processes_ which has been out of print for over a decade.

>>> I find his results are much superior to the 4-color Fressons, although one
> has to be careful with the word "superior" here.
>
>I take it that by superior you mean more controllable here. Is this the
>reason why you are not doing 4-color Fresson? that after some much trouble
>(in setup, coating, etc. etc.) the result is not that controllable.

I meant the overall look. Difficult subjects, e.g., motorcycles with lots
of chrome, etc. can be handled very well with Griffin's process. It's a
nightmare in color Fresson. I never used the color version of the process
because of its inherent lack of control. When my customers wanted permanent
color prints I used the double transfer tricolor process. The results were
the very best but the process was not feasible.

>>> Here UltraStable has an advantage as you can, with some extra work, use a
> variety of real papers. If you want on paper what's on your chrome, these
> are the processes to use.
>
>I would like to hear your comment on UltraStable from a technical point of
>view. From what I have read (from magazine articles or their literature), I
>have never considered UltraStable another (or a new) process.

It's unique as it is pre-sensitized and doesn't suffer from the darkening
effect and other variables in the dichromated version. I have seen many
excellent prints made by Bruhat in Paris and I have an excellent print made
by Berger in California in my collection here.

The UltraStable is obviously MUCH simpler than Fresson, the traditional
double transfer method I used to use, and Griffin's method. This said I'm
sure it's not entirely automatic and foolproof, especially if you use a
non-polyester base as a final support.

Luis Nadeau