From: Steve Shapiro (sgshiya@redshift.com)
Date: 04/16/00-03:10:33 PM Z
Allow me to repeat the following without typos and poor grammer.
This new paper coming out from Bergge sounds like a good deal, if it
replicates the old Nievera; because that older paper sounds like good stuff.
The idea of its texture is appealing.
The tonal values of green in the black color may be due to the photographic
printer using cold developers. When paper developer is used at a
temperature below the recommended or colder than normal, it tends to make
the black color with a green, metal tint appear on the shadow levels of the
photographic print.
Steve Shapiro
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Shapiro <sgshiya@redshift.com>
To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:39 AM
Subject: AZO vs NEOVERA gaslight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Shapiro <sgshiya@redshift.com>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: AZO vs NEOVERA gaslight
>
>
> > Sounds like nice paper, to me.
> >
> > The green shade to the balcks are often due to develdoper used colder
than
> > recommended.
> >
> > S. Shapiro
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Harald Leban <hleban@1012surfnet.at>
> > To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:52 PM
> > Subject: AZO vs NEOVERA gaslight
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > some time ago I had this correspondence with W. Linne about the
contact
> > > paper Josef Sudek has used. I donīt know the Bergger paper but maybe
> this
> > > text would be for interest:
> > >
> >
>
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> > > *****************************+
> > > Neobrom was a manufacturer of very fine Photographic papers since 1914
> but
> > > closed his production in 1998.
> > >
> > > NEOVERA was the last real "gaslight" contact paper with very low
light
> > > sensitivity and flat contrast - ideal for printing high contrasty
> > platinum
> > > negs.(grade 1-2)
> > > It īs coated with a rich silver Chloride/iodide emulsion and if
> developed
> > in
> > > Metol/Hydrochinon it came out with a really olive green colour - most
of
> > the
> > > Sudek īs work are printed on it - probably untoned.
> > > Another characteristic of this paper is the silk-screen surface - like
> the
> > > portrait-papers.
> > > Itīs a real contact paper because itīs sensitivity is only 10% of a
> > > enlarging paper.
> > >
> > > NEOTONA formerly called Neogaz paper is an enlarging paper but often
> used
> > as
> > > contact paper only - so by Sudek.
> > > It has a high glossy surface and a contrast grade about 3 .
> > > It has a Silver chloride/bromide emulsion and comes out with a warm
> black,
> > > slightly greenish.
> > > through the glossy surface all details come out very sharp - some
> > landscapes
> > > of Sudek I īve seen on it.
> > >
> > >
> > > < There is mention made of "tinted" enlarging papers
> > > <that he used to make some of his images. What would his choices have
> > > <been?
> > > This paper could be the CHAMOIS paper - it has a natural
> white(yellowish)
> > > paper base and I think a similar emulsion like NEOTONA but with
> > silk-screen
> > > surface.
> > >
> > >
> > > A friend of mine distributed Neobrom papers here in austria and so I
had
> > the
> > > chance to work with it, too but as I said the production has closed
and
> > > Neobrom was killed by "Investment-sharks"
> > >
> > > Some Czech artists namely Vaclav Jirasec are still working on this
> papers
> > > and safed the rest of the last productions.
> > > Other well known artists like Drtikol, Saudek, Berka .. have printed
on
> > > these papers,too.
> > >
> > > As film developer I think Sudek used the Czech standard - the
> > > Hydrochinon/Metol developer or Glycin developers.
> > >
> > > *********************+
> > > Harald
> > >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: "Bob Parker" <photobob124@yahoo.com>
> > > An: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> > > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. April 2000 04:19
> > > Betreff: Re: bergger azo paper
> > >
> > >
> > > > Would this paper be Neovera? or Neogas? It was
> > > > formerly produced in Czech republic and sold thru
> > > > Lotus for awhile several years ago. I have about 12
> > > > sheets of Neovera, and it gives a beautiful olive cast
> > > > to the print.
> > > >
> > > > Bob Parker
> > > >
> > > > --- Carl Weese <cweese@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > > Kah,
> > > > >
> > > > > Kodak has *not* killed off Azo. They still make it,
> > > > > though not in as
> > > > > many sizes and weights as previously, and of course
> > > > > you won't find it
> > > > > stocked at the local camera store.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, last I heard, Bergger's proposed new paper was
> > > > > *not* a clone of
> > > > > Azo (after all that would get them in trouble with
> > > > > Kodak) but rather a
> > > > > substitute for a discontinued European contact-speed
> > > > > paper -- who's name
> > > > > I'm afraid I don't remember. It was a paper much
> > > > > loved by the splendid
> > > > > photographer Josef Sudek.
> > > > >
> > > > > ---Carl
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Workshop info and online galleries at:
> > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~cweese/
> > > > >
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