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From: "Bernard Herman" <the-hermans@erols.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
Sent: ???????, ?? 07, 2000 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: Fix in lith printing
> Greetings Tony,
> Many thanks for your kind note; at least I have an answer now that there
is no
> answer and a very good explanation. I, personally, like the results I
get
> with Forte Elegance, but I had seen some interesting work done on Luminos
> Charcoal and was taking a whack at it. At least now I can stop searching
for
> the ultimate in non-bleaching fix.
> If anyone has any ideas of how to Work Around the bleaching in fix of lith
> prints please let me hear from you.
> Bernard D.. Herman
> <the-hermans@erols.com>
> Darlington Media Group wrote:
>
> > Hi Bernard.
> >
> > I think that you have stumbled across the age old problem and I'm afraid
> > that there is no easy answer!
> >
> > Lith prints achieve their loveley warm colours peach, apricot and other
> > 'fruity' hues due to the small size of the colloidal silver. The super
> > restrained development needed to curtail the extreme exposure ensures
this.
> > In the same way that POP and salt prints lose their wonderful post
exposure
> > colour when fixed, a phenomena which has frustrated printers since Fox
> > Talbot, there is and can be no remedy. (apart from scanning your print
> > prior to fixation!)
> >
> > The problem is compounded by the chemical reaction between the silver
> > thiosulphate and the gelatin substrate which reflects a more yellow/
brown
> > colour. Some small degreee of highlight bleaching and colour shift is
> > unavoidable, no matter which choice of fixing agent or dilution.
> >
> > On a personal note, I do not like the colour of a lith print on Charcoal
> > (Art Classic on this side of the pond). The colour is a little too
orangey
> > (another fruit!) for my taste. A dilute selenium toner, after the print
has
> > been fully washed, produces a range of colours that are far more
pleasing.
> >
> > Cheers ...... Tony McLean.
> >
> > >I need some assistance in handling the bleaching effect that I am
> > >getting when I placed a lith print in fix.
> > >I have tried rapid fix, regular fix, and dilute fix as suggested in Tim
> > >Rudman's book. It is more noticed using Luminos' Charcoal paper, but
> > >also noticed in Forte Elegance and Sterling Lith.
> > >any suggestions about avoiding or getting around this problem would be
> > >greatly appreciated.
> > >Bernard D. Herman
> > >the-hermans@erols.com
> >
> > Why not take a look at the latest issue of Camera & Darkroom magazine?
> > http://www.camera-and-darkroom.co.uk
>
>
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