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Re: Off Topic - Zia/Political Correctness, was Re: specks and ziatype

Hi

FWIW you have my thanks for

1) reminding certain persons that the world, unlike certain academic
corridors, is not PC

and

2) That the USA is not the world, and that this is an International list

I do appreciate that this is election time in the US and I am heartily
grateful that this list has remained relatively free of political overtones
relevant to it (unlike certain other lists, one of which I have had to
unsubscribe to because of the flood of OT stuff). So thank you. Scotland's
First Minister was buried yesterday, having died suddenly and tragically at
63, in office and at work, so politics is not really the favourite topic
round here right now.

I would say the above on-list but I feel I would be treading in an area that
has no relevance to me, and while I disagree with a pretty wide range of
Judy's somewhat woolly thinking, I'm not out to get her.

Regards


Rod


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cactus Cowboy" <photo@wir.net>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 4:21 AM
Subject: Off Topic - Zia/Political Correctness, was Re: specks and ziatype


> A quick search for "Zia" on http://www.dogpile.com yielded: Zia Film
> Distribution Company, a band named Zia, Zia Houseworks (home furnishings),
> Zia Credit Union, Zia Elementary School, Zia's Restaurant (St. Louis), Zia
> Natural Skincare, Stamp Zia Rubber Stamps, Zia Records (Phoenix), and
> thousands of other hits.  Apparently many people have no problem with
using
> "Zia" to name their businesses, schools, rock bands, etc....
>
> What's so terribly offensive about using "Zia" to describe a photographic
> process?  I agree with Nze Christian; it is a "good name for a sun
sensitive
> process", given the meaning behind the symbol.
>
> I must take issue with Judy's contention that "Meanwhile & of
> course,"politically correct" is more flexible than George Bush's math."
In
> fact, "political correctness" is one of the most inflexible and intolerant
> dogmatic codes to ever emerge from the radical left.  For the champions of
> PC, I remind you that (in the U.S.A. at least) it's still a free country,
> we're guaranteed freedom of speech (thanks to the Constitution), and
nobody
> has the right to never be offended.
>
> Best regards from Big Wonderful Wyoming,
> Cactus Cowboy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Judy Seigel <jseigel@panix.com>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:04 PM
> Subject: Re: specks and ziatype
>
>
> >
> > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, nze christian wrote:
> >
> > > hello all
> > > what ever the name ziatype or sullivanotype or Ratype we all known
that
> it
> > > is only a variation of Platinum palladium process . It is just a
little
> bit
> > > simpler to recognize between traditionnal, mike ware version ,
> pizzitype.
> > > I don't know all the meaning of the zia symbol and his importance. But
> find
> > > it to be a good name for a sun sensitive process.
> >
> > The degree of offense is perhaps in the eye of the beholder.
Essentially,
> > Europeans appropriated the land of the "native American" inhabitants,
> > killing them off either rapidly or slowly, confining the survivors to
> > enclaves where they were impoverished, disenfranchised and otherwise
> > diminished. Some remnants of these people, either authentic or
> > opportunist, now object to "appropriation" of their "sacred symbols."
> >
> > That the use of the term was not originally seen as an offense perhaps
> > attests to the ignorance of what we now call "the dominant culture," &
> > among its greater or lesser crimes, depending on your point of view.
> > Certainly it's trivial compared to the *original* offense, which anyone
> > familiar with US history (let alone world history) could figure out
wasn't
> > seen as offense *at the time* either, rather reclaiming god's country
from
> > savages, "manifest destiny," & so forth. Still, some may see it as twist
> > of the knife.
> >
> > Meanwhile & of course,"politically correct" is more flexible than George
> > Bush's math. Is calling college football teams Red Indians, or Braves,
or
> > whatever demeaning & racist, or an ignorant/innocent "association", even
a
> > tribute?
> >
> > I myself think of the new building on Hudson St which replaced several
> > small commercial printers there since previous century. They named it --
> > what else? -- Printing House. This being the age of irony, the neighbors
> > rather savor the name -- tho still deploring the loss.
> >
> > Judy
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>