From: Steve Shapiro (sgshiya@redshift.com)
Date: 02/11/01-10:21:47 PM Z
I offer this for the textbook argument:
Modern Photography: Any photography made after the invention oftheshutter
in 1863
Post Modern Photography: Any photography done after the invention of ready
made materials.
Pictoralism: Photographs made to specifically express a romantic notion or
to illustrate an idea higher or beyond the factual record of what's in front
of the lens.
Today [reluctantly quoting Allan Coleman, here] we have a unique activity in
the world of photography [note the absence of quotation marks] in so much
as all the photographic processes to make photographs are being used by
photographers.
What I always liked about Steichen was he made due with what he could
afford, portrait lenses; and from that created exciting art work that held
together even once he could afford better lenses.
Steiglitz was a man ... .
S. Shapiro, Carmel
----- Original Message -----
From: "shannon stoney" <sstoney@pdq.net>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pictorialism, Steiglitz, NY times review
> Judy wrote:
>
> >It's hard to believe even tenured professors don't know "modernism" is so
> >totally over, dead, buried, with a stake through its heart by end of the
> >'70s -- after years of passion and agitation to legalize "pluralism" or
> >post-modernism or whatever you like to call it.
>
> In fairness to the teachers at my university, I think they do know that
> modernism is dead, but Pictorialism is even deader. Although I remember
> somebody showing some prints last semester, and our grad assistant teacher
> thought it looked like Pictorialism and recommended that she look at some
> old issues of Camera Work. He seemed to be saying it was ok to look
> Pictorial.
>
> >
> >I've read a lot of Stieglitz & don't remember him saying "perfectly
> >focussed, perfectly sharp." He did certainly prefer *straight*
photography
> >(and crooked painting) by 1915 or so, but I think that perfect sharpness
> >stuff may well have been a corruption by disciples/epigones grinding
their
> >own axes.
>
> Yeah, I was sort of mixed up about that. A little review of my photo
> history book straightened me out.
>
> >
> >> > silver print was the apotheosis of photography may take a long time
> >> to go > away. (let's just be glad we weren't married to him, like
> >> O'Keefe!)
> >
> >Oh lordy, which of those fellows would we want to be married to?
>
> Hmmm...I'll have to think about that and get back to you. :-)
>
> --shannon
>
>
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