From: Gustavo Torres (riguto@netscape.net)
Date: 05/15/01-09:57:54 AM Z
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GT
jefulton1@home.com wrote:
> Much of what has been said about Minor is true : a conundrum. Allan
> Coleman's diatribe was in a sense appreciated (by me) when he wrote it but
> missed what Minor was ultimately about. Since there is a large Zen community
> around me . . best friends, restaurants, experiences, a ranch owned by the
> co founder of Polaroid has been the garden/ranch/center for years . . . it
> is of great interest. To tap into one's spiritual self is not easy. I go to
> the desert regions of the West.
>
> Minor, who partly founded my department, and taught here for a few years,
> did find thoughtful company in ideas perpetrated by Zen.
> Alan Watts, who I delivered the newspaper to, said:
> "Inability to accept the mystic experience is more than an intellectual
> handicap. Lack of awareness of the basic unity of organism and environment
> is a serious and dangerous hallucination. For in a civilization equipped
> with immense technological power, the sense of alienation between man and
> nature leads to the use of technology in a hostile spirit---to the
> "conquest" of nature instead of intelligent co-operation with nature."
>
> A young man in Canada (Toronto) for the Marshal Mcluhan conference is
> wearing a hat w/a video camera on it and he has "become a camera."
>
> "Just as the wheel is an extension of the leg, and radio is an extension of
> the voice, so too, is the camera an extension of the eye, the computer an
> extension of the brain, and wiring, circuits, and the internet an extension
> of the nervous system."
>
> Also, a movie came out in the mid 50's called, "I Am A Camera" written by
> Christopher Isherwood. It had nothing to do with cameras but more to do
> w/promiscuity.
>
> Birdie (& then Darryl) hit is closest to the mark (in my mind) when she
> wrote:
> "Let the subject become its own photograph" =Capture a subject (rather than
> create an image). This would appear to be a rejection of more abstract
> approaches. "Become a camera" = Work in a controlled methodical way, as if
> you are an extension of the camera, treating yourself as being subordinate
> to the process. This could also reflect a certain . approach to life in
> general.
> That's (an) interpretation and not an expression of my own values, by the
> way. Obscure metaphors rock my world."
>
> Most of the answers and queries to Minor's interesting statement are
> confounded by the ego and trap one behind the idea of perfection of
> rendition vs the rendition of perfection. Now that is a koan eh?
>
> Again, from Alan Watts:
> "Lao-Tzu said 'the five colors make a man blind, the five tones make a man
> deaf,' because if you can only see five colors, you're blind, and if you can
> only hear five tones in music, you're deaf. You see, if you force sound into
> five tones, you force color into five colors, you're blind and deaf. The
> world of color is infinite, as is the world of sound. And it is only by
> stopping fixing conceptions on the world of color and the world of sound
> that you really begin to hear it and see it.
>
> A sudden crash of thunder. The mind doors burst open,
> and there sits the ordinary old man.
>
> See? There's a sudden vision. Satori! Breaking! Wowee! And the doors of the
> mind are blown apart, and there sits the ordinary old man. It's just little
> you, you know? Lightning flashes, sparks shower. In one blink of your eyes,
> you've missed seeing. Why? Because here is the light. The light, the light,
> the light, every mystic in the world has 'seen the light.'"
>
> There is, also, a wonderful short story that is an appendage to Herman
> Hesse's 'Magister Ludi', or 'The Glass Bead Game' that is a fascinating read
> and pretty much sums up what started this conversation.
>
> Jack Fulton
>
>
>
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