From: Judy Seigel (jseigel@panix.com)
Date: 08/24/02-12:20:29 AM Z
On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Chunin Martinez wrote:
> But she is right. There is no difference other that the place where the
> image was displayed from your example. The teenager could have done that at
> the museum but then that would have been indecent exposure. The use of
> words like "sophisticated art patrons admiring a "tasteful nude"" are just
> mere words to support a fabrication. There is no difference. People just
> want to believe that there is in order to feel somehow special or superior
> to others.
Exactly.... Except on 2nd thought, there may be little difference in the
photograph, but a large enough difference in the viewer. The sex-crazed
(well, we shouldn't say crazed, it's age-appropriate) teenager is
perfectly honest in his motive and pleasure. The "sophisticated art
patron" or photographer may well think he is appreciating or creating art.
True, the culture is now saturated with this view of women.... if you look
at the covers of high style magazines, the poses, expressions and hand
gestures of the models get closer and closer to their counterparts on the
covers of "stroke magazines" (even these days Vogue, alas -- how the
mighty have fallen). There used to be a difference in lighting & facial
expression (less flare of the nostrils and arch of eyebrow in fashion than
porn) but even that diminishes, at least on the cover.
The insides of porn magazines are different from fashion & art, however,
and more explicit than one would have thought humanly possible. IMO, the
porn photos are preferable -- for their honesty. tho of course they're
selling flesh, not clothes.
J.
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but what Solomon-Godeau is saying is that there's
> > little difference between sophisticated art patrons admiring a 'tasteful
> > nude' in a museum and a sex-crazed teenager 'spanking the monkey' while
> > drooling over a copy of Hustler in his bedroom. There really is a thin
> line
> > between Art and Porno, isn't there?
> >
> > Dave in Wyoming
> >
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