From: Bob and Carla (bb333@earthlink.net)
Date: 08/30/02-10:49:23 PM Z
Hey Jack.................ever meet Kerouac?
Jack Fulton wrote:
>
> > Jack, I would also be interested in hearing those comments you're suppressing
> > on Bellmer. Several names are popping up in this discussion which are of
> > interest to me. Specifically, Francesca Woodman and Bellmer. I'll add an
> > interest in the work of Vera Lehndorff (Veruschka) too.
>
> Joe:
> I was not suppressing my thoughts on Bellmer. I mean, he is interesting.
> Theoretically, those "Poupeé" images of his two famous hand-made dolls are
> anti-fascist statements. He was called degenerate but thought the 3rd Reich
> to be so . . more than he I suppose.
> The works are interesting one must admit but there is, for me at least,
> hidden (or obvious) in there a creepy fascination of the young girl being
> the seductress. We find this best put in Lolita by Nabakov in my mind. One
> might even make a case for the child in Las Meniņas by Velasquez as being
> not only curious but seductive. Anyway, I don't like it. I also didn't like
> it when I first saw them as a young man. Bellmer just simply turned me off.
> It was Kertesz's hand through the ship's ventilator that got my head turned
> . . .and, Brandt. When I first saw Brandt's nudes @ SF Mus.. o f Mod Art in
> the 50's, they were large . . maybe the 16x20 size . . it's a long time ago.
> But, they were erased, goached, penciled, scraped w/a razor. He'd used
> techniques outside the realm of the print which was supposed to be 'the way'
> in my SF Bay Area legacy from Ansel, Ed, Wynn, Morley, Imogen, etc. etc. But
> Brandt's work just stiffed me right there and I've never been the same.
> Berhardt's work is frilly and silly and touches on the creature perhaps as
> being a fawn-like innocent.
> Bellmer is hung up on his own libido and thereby transfers his lust to the
> disconnected contorted woman-child with limbs not only akimbo but in limbo
> where Bellmer actually belongs.
> Francesca Woodman is close to that. The angel who would like to be whisked
> away. The tart with a heart. The charm with smarm. Innocent . . no. You
> gonna get yo jelly mama when my head is mighty red?? Nope. Not for me. I
> want real and direct and true and not that frilly frothy tableau.
> Verushka is more real to me. A person self made in the world of the
> falsely made. Her last work w/that German mate of hers, where he or they
> painted her to look just like the background is, again, for me, idea
> oriented and the nude being covered by the paint is an illusionary
> palimpsest. that work is clever and like the tabula rasa, clean and
> pristine.
> Howz dat Joe?
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