From: Judy Seigel (jseigel@panix.com)
Date: 12/04/02-01:14:14 PM Z
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Joe Rollins wrote:
> I am new to this list, and may be out of line. I apologize if I am, but
> could we move the computer crash discussion to another forum? Joe Rollins
Actually Joe, with all due respect and welcome to new subscribers, it is
my opinion that for listeners in general, that is, someone who has not yet
CONTRIBUTED to list discussion to try to monitor it, is indeed out of
line, whether a new subscriber or old lurker. We're the content providers,
and you're the content consumer. But unlike the mass media, we're not
selling you to advertisers... your silent body has little value. If you
want better content, help provide. PLEASE !
However, besides being unearned, I feel this "policing" is harmful on
several levels... Most people cringe at being criticized, so a form of
self-criticism sets in: uh oh, I better not say that it might be off
topic.
Having been on this list, for better or worse, almost from day one, I
PROMISE you that some of the BEST most USEFUL, PRECIOUS and RARE
information does indeed arrive tangentially, or serendipitously, if you
will, from EXACTLY such meandering. And since this thread began as a joke,
do you hereby outlaw jokes? It's exactly the informal give & take that
has created many lasting colleagueships, even, I dare say, friendships.
Also, if you have read the archives, and if you haven't you owe it to
yourself and us to do so, not just be an easy rider, you'll see that more
and more of what we try and need and do involves digital. To prohibit
digital would be to prohibit one of the most important tools we have
received. And, if you accept digital, the crash is a real, and deepening
problem. But perhaps you thought my message crowded out some other more
important thing.... more staining in the highlights? How do I size for
gum? Is your modem too pokey for all? If not, then use the delete key
for the thread you find troubling...
But perhaps you have a question or comment you're eager to make and fear
being lost in the shuffle. The average shuffle around here is 30+ messages
a day. No guarantees, but often a repeat gets an answer.
So, if you have a question or comment to make, PLEASE DO. We're all eyes.
But PS. For what it's worth I got an offlist message from someone who's
had exactly the same scuzzy problem with exactly the set up I had. I
think the info I gave them might save 3 months of the kind of grief I've
endured (Apple Tech Support it seems STILL doesn't have a clue !!).
Wasn't that worth a little boredom on your part?
My own rule of thumb, BTW, is that when there are many responses that's a
sign of a need to discuss... Many of us find two lists too many, let
alone three, and the quality and connections here make it the best. Like
Alice's Restaurant, you can get everything you want...
And what do you want? Are you new to alt? Perhaps a special interest or
expertise or quest?
Judy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phillip Murphy" <pmurf@bellsouth.net>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:09 AM
> Subject: Re: crashes (off topic)
>
>
> >
> > Hi Judy,
> >
> > I know how frustrating computer gremlins can be when they're dancing on
> your
> > motherboard.
> > My suggestion, if you haven't already gone this route, is to lug that box
> down
> > to the Apple Store
> > at Prince and Greene St.'s and have their "genius" look at it. I've found
> > them most helpful at our local
> > store when things are amiss. Just a thought.
> >
> > all the best,
> >
> > Phillip
> >
> >
> > Judy Seigel wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Eric Nelson wrote:
> > >
> > > > If my g4 or g3 crashed that much i'd have a serious
> > > > session w/techtools and the extensions manager, figure
> > > > out what appz/extensions, etc. cause this, and toss
> > > > 'em.
> > > > netscape 7 might be evil as i installed 7 yesterday
> > > > for s&g's and my boot drive became unreadable,
> > > > (dreaded flashing file icon at start up). system
> > > > folder had become unblessed somehow...hmmm. all is
> > > > well now.
> > > > if netscape causes you that much trouble, toss it. i
> > > > sling gigs of files around on my g4 doing video all
> > > > the time and very few probs. running 9.2.2
> > > > eric
> > >
> > > Eric, if I knew to do all that, would I be sitting here tearing my hair
> > > out and beating my head against the wall? Except i think that there's a
> > > curse on this G4 that makes everybody in the line drop 50 points of IQ,
> > > and all connections turn to stone...and it's not just Netscape... Yes,
> > > I'm running 9.2.2, or put an "i" in that, and make it ruining, or vice
> > > versa.
> > >
> > > For one example, I spent 3 hours on tech support with Adaptec today,
> doing
> > > everything their "expert" could think of to get Netscape, Explorer,
> > > whatever, whoever, to download the upgrade of their SCSI card, well it
> was
> > > a tense session (starting with the fact that they INSISTED I get the
> > > serial number off the scsi card INSIDE the computer, but all those green
> > > cards looked alike to me except some were big & some were tiny and NONE
> of
> > > them had legible serial numbers, or names, or personalities, or mothers
> > > and fathers or the milk, even the skim milk, of human kindness), so
> > > finally they "made an exception" and gave me an incident number, but to
> > > make a 3 hour saga short (I never did make it to the gym, which didn't
> > > break my heart as it was 27 degrees F out & I decided I could forgo the
> > > mile walk), finally on 5th try the thing downloaded, got into my system
> > > file, etc., and test showed it worked, that is, it would go on sleep &
> > > wake up without crashing... Trouble is that was only a SHORT sleep.
> After
> > > an hour sleep I got a CRASH message, though no real crash (yes, they do
> > > tease), BUT, something about it destroyed the autosleep -- The phone
> rang
> > > & I couldn't get off for an hour, the thing stayed on.
> > >
> > > Nearly every day since June has had similar episode. I've spent a great
> > > deal of time & truly excellent amounts of money on experts, hauled
> > > the thing to Tekserv (using a lifetime of marital brownie points for the
> > > several trips by car), of course ripping out the connections for all
> > > peripherals to get there, and spent 3 days sitting on the bench with
> their
> > > bakery take-a-number -- that solved one little problem tho not the one i
> > > went up there for, which was an error of Apple Tech support which--
> FLASH!
> > > Stop the Press!! -- has got its head up its ass. Hope you will excuse
> the
> > > vulgarity, it's been a hard day, month, trimester.
> > >
> > > I do not mention the sessions with Adobe about the disappearing
> Pagemaker
> > > program, another saga entirely... That was indeed finally diagnosed by
> a
> > > local expert, and in case you're wondering, ADOBE DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE, I
> > > mean not even a shred... I should demand my $25 back but lack the
> > > strength. Pagemaker still crashes at about 10 minute intervals, but no
> > > longer disappears. Don't tell me to get Indesign, it causes brain damage
> > > with red boxes, & my brain is damaged enough.
> > >
> > > Maybe the expert at Adaptec picked the wrong driver -- the one Tekserv
> > > installed was fine (lost in a clean install that didn't solve a
> different
> > > problem) -- if I could get through to Tekserv on the phone I'd ask them,
> > > but 6 hours on hold is my limit... So happy days, I get to speak to my
> > > friend Carl at Adaptec again tomorrow... He deserves it.
> > >
> > > Judy
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > My G4 crashes AT LEAST 10 times a day. However, I
> > > > > believe that's system
> > > > > 9, and I believe it's deliberate. I think the
> > > > > friendly folks at Apple
> > > > > have deliberately left 9 in lethal state to convince
> > > > > the miserable and
> > > > > afflicted that if they throw out all their software
> > > > > and hardware which
> > > > > won't work on 10 and get new and take 10, they'll be
> > > > > fine. (I haven't
> > > > > heard of anyone with only 10 getting crashes, it's
> > > > > the two together or 9
> > > > > alone, IME.)
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll add that my late lamented 8.6 only crashed
> > > > > twice in three years, and
> > > > > both times it was the Evil Netscape.
> > > >
> > > >
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