From: Richard Sullivan (richsul@earthlink.net)
Date: 02/22/03-02:46:13 PM Z
The substrate idea has been picked up by several people in France and have
made what have been described to me as stunning prints. I have not seen
them myself however.
I believe some of the old timers used a similar method. In fact I examined
some Heinrich Kuhn gum prints back in the 70's and determined that they
were multi coated and there was a sheen of shellac on the back and
concluded (rightly or wrongly) that he had bonded them to something for
processing. I also had talked to a curator (I believe it was at the Met)
right about that time that was doing some research on Kuhn and said that
she thought that he had also bonded the prints from some notes he had left
but was not sure of what he was actually doing or referring to. It is a
simple enough idea to have been thought of and used by any number of people.
BTW you can pick up a nice Kuhn 9.5 x 10.5 inch gum for a measly $16,000.00 at:
http://www.leegallery.com/photo.html
About the price of a new Honda Civic.
Keep an eye out for Staurt Melvin's new gum work. He's supposed to have a
web site up soon. Real Soon Now. Stauart has taken gum to new levels and
will be presenting a segment at APIS is Santa Fe in July. he will reveal
some of his startling discoveries then. His book is supposed to be ready by
then but it is way late already but we'll get some good notes and
publishing them.
Stuart Has taught Kerik Kouklis gum and Kerik is also doing some stunning
work in gum. he is also doing some gum over platinum and has some pics on
his site to show comparisons of pure gum and gum over.
http://www.kerik.com/gum27.htm
and
http://www.kerik.com/gum25.htm
perhaps start at:
http://www.kerik.com/gumover.htm
The pics on the video screen do not do them justice. Yes, they do look like
that in real life and I think it is the multi levels of gum cause an
op-tickle diffraction (I think that's what's happening) that makes them of
glow.
For years people more or less did things the same old way. Nothing wrong
with that if it works but I have always hoped that alt photo practitioners
would explore and invent. That is now happening in this period of time and
it is pretty exciting.
--Dick
11:22 AM 2/22/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Dick,
> THAT'S who it was--Art Chaklis. OK, yeah, you're right. I'm sure,
>then, he has come across Suda House's book. I'm cleaning out all my alt
>files and apparently had xeroxed this chapter years ago because the book was
>no longer in print (otherwise I'd buy the book) and don't ask me why I even
>considered being interested in the process as it seems beyond what I'd
>attempt.
>Chris
>PS I also just came across a printout of your substrate method of printing
>gum by attaching it with drymount tissue to a support like aluminum or
>whatever...interesting idea.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Sullivan" <richsul@earthlink.net>
>To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
>Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:24 AM
>Subject: Re: fresson printing
>
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > Good luck. There are any number of formulas purporting to be the Fresson
> > formula that have been published over the years. Art Chaklis, who may
>still
> > be on this list, has spent the better part of a decade trying to debug the
> > process and presented two presentations on his work. One at APIS 97 in
>Bath
> > and the other at APIS 2001 in Santa Fe. I myself spent a day as a guest at
> > Atelier Fresson in Paris. You can actually see the enlarger being used
>that
> > was built in the 50's. As for how the paper is made and prepared that is a
> > secret. I did, however, see them develop prints with the sawdust so that
> > part is accurate.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > --Dick
> >
> > At 08:36 AM 2/22/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > >I know I did this before and it was a wild goose chase, but someone on
>the
> > >list is into Fresson printing, and last time I mentioned i had found a
> > >mention of it in an arcane text that didn't amount to much. Now, going
>thru
> > >my files, I found a chapter on it out of Suda House's book, Artistic
> > >Photographic Processes. Does the person who is interested in getting to
>the
> > >bottom of Fresson have this book? It is out of print (from the 70's
> > >perhaps?) I think....anyway, the notes for making the coated paper come
>from
> > >Paul Anderson she says. It contains gelatin, water, pigment, sugar,
> > >alcohol, honey, and sugar syrup.
> > >Chris
> >
> >
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