From: Richard Sullivan (richsul@earthlink.net)
Date: 07/26/03-10:34:59 AM Z
Adding gum and gelatin:
Art Chaklis did presentations on the Fresson process at APIS 97 Bath and
APIS 2001 Santa Fe and my recollection is that gum and gelatin don't mix
and cause a crazing effect and he was exploring this aspect as a clue to
Fresson.
Mae West used to live in one of those New York style apartments on Rossmore
Between Wilshire and Santa Monic for those who know Elay.
She had a listed phone number and would chat with callers. We had a couple
of film heads in our office who would put her on the speaker phone when
they could get through. She was great fun.
".. or are you just happy to see me." -- Mae West
--Dick
--DickAt 09:05 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Please excuse cut and paste of two posts:
>
><Mark said>I'll ask a question.... Is anyone having any
>luck with multiple layers of gum being laid on ...like say 3-5 coats and
>then
>developing them all at once to get "quasi one shot" gum prints? Or, does it
>all go sliding down the drain if you do this? Would Miracle Muck help?
>
>Just answered Stuart on this before I read your post! I'll be trying
>Miracle Muck and let you know.
>
><Mark asked>Chris...in your hysterical research of the gummy process....did
>any of
>deceased gummists add gelatin to their mix?
>
>Once or twice in 80 sources I came across this--as well as sugar, honey,
>starch, fish glue, and egg whites. It was what was originally experimented
>with before gum came on the horizon; once gum was it, it wasn't used in
>combo except I think once...mind you, I'd have to read thru now 54pp of 11pt
>type to find your answer, so it may take a while, to be absolutely correct
>on this, but a brief perusal comes up with that answer.
>
><Dave Rose asked>: Was Livick using tube pigments?
>Yes
><Dave Rose asked A Google search came up with zero hits on "Sucrow
>Beauregard". I'm
>listening, what can you tell us?
>Prof Sucrow and Beauregard are two historical figures experimenting with gum
>back then at the beginning who were only mentioned once or twice in the
>literature. Which is my point. We always hear about Ponton, Poitevin,
>Pouncey, but the myriad others leading up to the process and around the time
>of its inception contributed their share of work but don't get much press. I
>feel sorry for them, so thought I'd bring up their names :)
>
>A big problem is I don't read German, and lots on gum is in that literature.
>How can I give Germany credit where credit is due if I can't access the
>info? I think the language barrier is another reason for inaccuracies in
>history. I think the first multicolor gum was done by a German. Coburn in
>America is sometimes credited with this, too, but according to Nadeau it was
>done before 1902 (Coburn) by Watzek in 1890's.
>
><Dave Rose said> OK, let's talk about staining.
>Have to write it all up first (ducks in a row), then I'll post. Glad you
>are interested.
>Chris
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