Re: hot and cold press papers

Papers. We don't need no stinking papers. (thanks to High Sierra)

>I don't get sinking paper either.
>
>Kate
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Katharine Thayer" <kthayer@pacifier.com>
>To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
>Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:19 AM
>Subject: Re: hot and cold press papers
>
>
>> Kate,
>> It's a musty, mildewy, swampy kind of smell. If you don't smell it,
>> count your blessings. When I started using Arches I kept pouring lemon
>> juice down the drains and searching the house for perhaps a damp towel
>> that may have been left somewhere and gone sour, it was that kind of
>> smell. I finally began to notice (speaking of an ABAB research design)
>> that the smell was present when there was wet Arches nearby, absent when
>> there was no wet Arches nearby.
>>
>> I loved the paper and was willing to put up with the smell, until it
>> became problematic to me for other reasons. But as I may have mentioned
>> before, I'm puzzled by Christina's observations that it sinks and takes
>> a long time to dry, because neither of those observations are consistent
>> with my experience. Apparently the paper has changed for the worse in
>> the two or three years since I've used it..
>>
>> kt
>>
>> Kate Mahoney wrote:
>> >
>> > This amazes me - I use Arches Aquarelle as the paper of choice, have a
>very
>> > sebsitive nose and have never ever noticed a bad smell.....?????What
>> > gives???
>> > Kate
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "William Laven" <wmlaven@platinotype.com>
>> > To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:29 AM
>> > Subject: Re: hot and cold press papers
>> >
>> > > I once used Aquarelle for Pt/Pd and got a great image, but couldn't
>> > > stand the smell either. I thought I had a rotten (sic) batch and
>> > > didn't try it again because I preferred the Arches Platine.
>> > >
>> > > What's the smell from?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >Hi all,
>> > > > I just wanted to share my experiences with different papers,
>for
>> > what
>> > > >it is worth.
>> > > > I had previously posted on the sinking of aquarelle to the
>bottom
>> > of
>> > > >the tub when presoaking and shrinking my paper. It also held in
>moisture
>> > the
>> > > >longest, so it took FOREVER to dry, unlike Uno and Artistico and
>Magnano.
>> > > >It also had clear spots of uneven sizing, and some I soaked had dark
>> > areas
>> > > >of what looked like stain. I thought for sure the aquarelle was
>going to
>> > be
>> > > >a "never order again" paper.
>> > > > However, in side by side comparisons, having never worked
>before on
>> > > >cold pressed papers and gum printing (before I only used Rives BFK
>which
>> > has
>> > > >some slight surface texture but is not cold pressed) I am amazed at
>how
>> > much
>> > > >detail you can get. For some reason, I thought the bumps in cold
>pressed
>> > > >papers would create a softer image, and not so. In fact, there is
>more
>> > > >depth to the image, but not less detail. I was using cold and hot in
>Uno,
>> > > >Artistico, Aquarelle. Magano is bumpy, too.
>> > > > The aquarelle no longer sank to the bottom once sized with a
>> > hardened
>> > > >gelatin layer.
>> > > > The one thing I found was that I had a much easier time getting
>an
>> > even
>> > > >coating with no streaks with the cold pressed papers. This reminds
>me of
>> > > >Charles Ryberg and one other person on the list who was having
>difficulty
>> > > >streaking. Try cold pressed paper. Once I was past the first layer,
>the
>> > > >hot pressed, smooth papers would streak more. The first layer never
>did,
>> > > >tho, so somehow the buildup of hardened gum contributed to the
>streaking.
>> > > > Speaking of which, I was using the roller method on some, but
>could
>> > > >only get an even layer on the first layer but not thereafter. I
>think I
>> > > >need to make my gum solution thinner to use that method. Otherwise, I
>> > always
>> > > >use a 3" hake brush.
>> > > > I'm trying to decide on a paper to stick with, and contrary to
>what
>> > I
>> > > >was expecting, cold press may be it. Probably not aquarelle, as it
>does,
>> > as
>> > > >Katharine says, smell bad. I liken it to wet dog. Plus the other
>> > problems
>> > > >with it and uneven sizing etc. But it sure looks nice in a print...
>> > > >Chris
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>
Received on Thu Apr 1 17:06:21 2004