Re: hot and cold press papers

Christina Z. Anderson wrote:
>
> Possibly this, re: sinking paper. My water temp to presoak is quite hot
> (120 or so) so that could be a factor. I am using cold pressed; that could
> be a factor.

Makes sense.

Once the gelatin size and the gum arabic layer is on there, it
> no longer sinks.

Interesting.
kt

> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kate Mahoney" <kateb@paradise.net.nz>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:07 PM
> Subject: Re: hot and cold press papers
>
> > I don't get sinking paper either.
> >
> > Kate
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Katharine Thayer" <kthayer@pacifier.com>
> > To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: hot and cold press papers
> >
> >
> > > Kate,
> > > It's a musty, mildewy, swampy kind of smell. If you don't smell it,
> > > count your blessings. When I started using Arches I kept pouring lemon
> > > juice down the drains and searching the house for perhaps a damp towel
> > > that may have been left somewhere and gone sour, it was that kind of
> > > smell. I finally began to notice (speaking of an ABAB research design)
> > > that the smell was present when there was wet Arches nearby, absent when
> > > there was no wet Arches nearby.
> > >
> > > I loved the paper and was willing to put up with the smell, until it
> > > became problematic to me for other reasons. But as I may have mentioned
> > > before, I'm puzzled by Christina's observations that it sinks and takes
> > > a long time to dry, because neither of those observations are consistent
> > > with my experience. Apparently the paper has changed for the worse in
> > > the two or three years since I've used it..
> > >
> > > kt
> > >
> > > Kate Mahoney wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This amazes me - I use Arches Aquarelle as the paper of choice, have a
> > very
> > > > sebsitive nose and have never ever noticed a bad smell.....?????What
> > > > gives???
> > > > Kate
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Laven" <wmlaven@platinotype.com>
> > > > To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:29 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: hot and cold press papers
> > > >
> > > > > I once used Aquarelle for Pt/Pd and got a great image, but couldn't
> > > > > stand the smell either. I thought I had a rotten (sic) batch and
> > > > > didn't try it again because I preferred the Arches Platine.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's the smell from?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >Hi all,
> > > > > > I just wanted to share my experiences with different papers,
> > for
> > > > what
> > > > > >it is worth.
> > > > > > I had previously posted on the sinking of aquarelle to the
> > bottom
> > > > of
> > > > > >the tub when presoaking and shrinking my paper. It also held in
> > moisture
> > > > the
> > > > > >longest, so it took FOREVER to dry, unlike Uno and Artistico and
> > Magnano.
> > > > > >It also had clear spots of uneven sizing, and some I soaked had
> dark
> > > > areas
> > > > > >of what looked like stain. I thought for sure the aquarelle was
> > going to
> > > > be
> > > > > >a "never order again" paper.
> > > > > > However, in side by side comparisons, having never worked
> > before on
> > > > > >cold pressed papers and gum printing (before I only used Rives BFK
> > which
> > > > has
> > > > > >some slight surface texture but is not cold pressed) I am amazed at
> > how
> > > > much
> > > > > >detail you can get. For some reason, I thought the bumps in cold
> > pressed
> > > > > >papers would create a softer image, and not so. In fact, there is
> > more
> > > > > >depth to the image, but not less detail. I was using cold and hot
> in
> > Uno,
> > > > > >Artistico, Aquarelle. Magano is bumpy, too.
> > > > > > The aquarelle no longer sank to the bottom once sized with a
> > > > hardened
> > > > > >gelatin layer.
> > > > > > The one thing I found was that I had a much easier time
> getting
> > an
> > > > even
> > > > > >coating with no streaks with the cold pressed papers. This reminds
> > me of
> > > > > >Charles Ryberg and one other person on the list who was having
> > difficulty
> > > > > >streaking. Try cold pressed paper. Once I was past the first
> layer,
> > the
> > > > > >hot pressed, smooth papers would streak more. The first layer
> never
> > did,
> > > > > >tho, so somehow the buildup of hardened gum contributed to the
> > streaking.
> > > > > > Speaking of which, I was using the roller method on some, but
> > could
> > > > > >only get an even layer on the first layer but not thereafter. I
> > think I
> > > > > >need to make my gum solution thinner to use that method. Otherwise,
> I
> > > > always
> > > > > >use a 3" hake brush.
> > > > > > I'm trying to decide on a paper to stick with, and contrary
> to
> > what
> > > > I
> > > > > >was expecting, cold press may be it. Probably not aquarelle, as it
> > does,
> > > > as
> > > > > >Katharine says, smell bad. I liken it to wet dog. Plus the other
> > > > problems
> > > > > >with it and uneven sizing etc. But it sure looks nice in a print...
> > > > > >Chris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
Received on Thu Apr 1 21:04:46 2004