Re: Some temperaprint questions - beware! these are dummy, beginners questions

Loris,
     This is wonderful! I am keeping your message below to show to my
professor to explain why I may only produce 1/10 of the print numbers in gum
as I would in BW.
     Two things: you could cut off 1 hr of drying time with a hair dryer
instead of air drying the sensitized paper. I never do a 4th coat, or
rarely anyway, so that could cut off another 2 hours. I also have about 8
going at once so in that span of time I get more than 1 result. However, you
are absolutely right about the time expense of gum (unless doing monochrome,
in which case 2 coats is even sufficient), especially in waiting for the
paper to dry after development.
     I have this unique set up in my bathroom: I have a bunch of baby
hangers (the kind that anal parents use to hang up their 2 year old's
clothing, I mean, really) with clothespins, and I hang each print on those,
and hang a hanger off another hanger, so my whole bathroom is covered with
these cascading hanger sets (and therefore nowhere to pee). Waiting for the
prints to dry so you can do another coat is like watching grass grow. I
spend that time angsting over why on earth I am doing what I am doing. It's
an addiction.
     BUT, at least my outcome is better than the 1% success rate that Phil
Davis talks about on his website...or I"m WAY less picky.
     From going through the back issues of the BJP what I can gather is that
gum fell out of use not only because it was less sharp than other processes
but that they couldn't figure out a way to get exact results over and over
(Zimmerman notwithstanding) and therefore commercialize it. Aside from the
fact that it was way too artistic a process and therefore crossed the
boundary into painting (God forbid).
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Loris Medici" <loris_medici@yahoo.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: Some temperaprint questions - beware! these are dummy,
beginners questions

>
> Actually the printing time is probably shorter with Temperaprint!? Below I
> will make a "theoretic" calculation. Theoretic because I didn't make a
> single gum or temperaprint yet so please consider this before bashing me
;)
> and please "gently" correct any mistake you encounter.
>
> Assuming I'm going to print monochrome gum on a 300gsm (140lb?) watercolor
> paper in a total of four impressions (highlights, midtones, shadows and a
> last adjustment layer):
>
> 1. Coat layer #1: 3mins
> 2. Dry layer #1: 20mins
> 3. Expose layer #1: 5mins
> 4. Develop layer #1: 30mins
> 5. Dry layer #1: 60mins
> 6. Coat layer #2: 3mins
> 7. Dry layer #2: 20mins
> 8. Expose layer #2: 5mins
> 9. Develop layer #2: 30mins
> 10. Dry layer #2: 60mins
> 11. Coat layer #3: 3mins
> 12. Dry layer #3: 20mins
> 13. Expose layer #3: 5mins
> 14. Develop layer #3: 30mins
> 15. Dry layer #3: 60mins
> 16. Coat layer #4: 3mins
> 17. Dry layer #4: 20mins
> 18. Expose layer #4: 5mins
> 19. Develop layer #4: 30mins
> 20. Dry layer #4: 60mins
>
> Makes a total of 472mins = 7hours 52mins! And this is excluding the time
> needed for stretching and sizing the paper.
>
> Now, if I want to make a monochrome Temperaprint on a 300gsm (140lb)
> synthetic paper (such as Yupo) in 6 impressions (please note that 50% more
> impressions compared to gum):
>
> 1. Coat layer #1: 3mins
> 2. Dry layer #1: 5mins
> 3. Expose layer #1: 5mins
> 4. Develop layer #1: 10mins (probably this operation is shorter than
10mins
> but I'll leave it that way for safety)
> 5. Dry layer #1: 10mins (synthetic paper, dries incredibely fast)
> 6. Coat layer #2: 3mins
> 7. Dry layer #2: 5mins
> 8. Expose layer #2: 5mins
> 9. Develop layer #2: 10mins
> 10. Dry layer #2: 10mins
> 11. Coat layer #3: 3mins
> 12. Dry layer #3: 5mins
> 13. Expose layer #3: 5mins
> 14. Develop layer #3: 10mins
> 15. Dry layer #3: 10mins
> 16. Coat layer #4: 3mins
> 17. Dry layer #4: 5mins
> 18. Expose layer #4: 5mins
> 19. Develop layer #4: 10mins
> 20. Dry layer #4: 10mins
> 21. Coat layer #5: 3mins
> 22. Dry layer #5: 5mins
> 23. Expose layer #5: 5mins
> 24. Develop layer #5: 10mins
> 25. Dry layer #5: 10mins
> 26. Coat layer #6: 3mins
> 27. Dry layer #6: 5mins
> 28. Expose layer #6: 5mins
> 29. Develop layer #6: 10mins
> 30. Dry layer #6: 10mins
>
> Makes a total of 198mins = 3hours 18mins! And there's no need to stretch
and
> size the paper.
>
> That's why I'm interested in Temperaprint - it seems like it's a process
> with more steps but the time spent to make a print is shorter compared to
> gum (if the above calculation is okay) because you can use fast drying
> synthetic paper and emulsion.
>
> Regards,
> Loris.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judy Seigel" <jseigel@panix.com>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Some temperaprint questions - beware! these are dummy,
> beginners questions
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, pete wrote:
> >
> > Pete, I think you really must be the devil (as in "the devil made me do
> > it")...Otherwise I can't imagine how you get people to do color seps
that
> > require 3 to 4 exposures PER COLOR ! (If I read you correctly.)
> >
> > I have, believe it or not, heard folks bellyache about 3 or 4 coats for
> > the whole print... as in a normal gum !!
> >
> > J.
>
>
Received on Wed Feb 4 06:25:38 2004