Re: Inkjet Transparencies Scratching

Nick,

Yes, the initial exchange was about the 2200 and 7600. My
understanding is that these printers use the same Ultrachrome
pigmented ink set. If that is not correct someone will no doubt
correct me.

Sine the most recent exchanges were about the C-84 I assumed the big
and little sister thing was the 2200 versus the C-84.

Sandy

>Sandy,
>
>Weren't we talking about the 7600 originally? That was the printer I was
>referring to.........
>
>Not the C84.
>
>I thought it was you that said the 7600 and the 2200 use the same inks.
>
>Sorry for any confusion.
>
>Nick
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sandy King" <sanking@clemson.edu>
>To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
>Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 1:53 PM
>Subject: Re: Inkjet Transparencies Scratching
>
>
>> Nick,
>>
>> The Epson 2200 used the Ultrachrome pigmented ink set and the C-84
>> Dura-Brite pigmented inks. The Dura-Brites are more vivid than the
>> Ultrachrome inks and prints from the C-84 have more saturated colors.
>> The Dura-Brite inks also absorb more UV light than the Ultrachrome
>> set, which is why they give more contrasty negatives, as Chris
>> observed.
>>
>> The C-84 is really a great little printer for the money and is
>> capable of making outstanding negatives on Pictorico for alternative
>> processes, though with the caveat that in my initial work with it the
>> negatives appear to be slightly grainer than those made with the 2200.
>>
>> Sandy King
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Well, the thought came to mind that Sandy is presumably using the same
>inks
>> >successfully in a somewhat smaller printer. If that's true, ie, the inks
>> >are the same (or were from the factory) and the substrate is the same,
>then
>> >it may be the inks have been changed.
>> >
>> >Just a thought.
>> >
>> >n
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Jon Lybrook" <jon@terabear.com>
>> >To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
>> >Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:40 AM
>> >Subject: Re: Inkjet Transparencies Scratching
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Nick,
>> >>
>> >> Are you saying to ask them if the carts are original that came with
>the
>> >> printer, or just to ask if they are OEM inks?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your insight.
>> >>
>> >> Jon
>> >>
>> >> At 07:32 AM 7/10/2004, you wrote:
>> >> >Jon, you might check with the owner of the 7600 to see if they are
>still
>> >> >using the original factory inks. This problem you describe is one of
>the
>> >> >very reasons I have halted my digital neg search.
>> >> >
>> >> >Nick
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: "Jon Lybrook" <jon@terabear.com>
>> >> >To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
>> >> >Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 9:41 PM
>> >> >Subject: RE: Inkjet Transparencies Scratching
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > I should say 'taken off', not lifted off. The transparency was
>plenty
>> >> >dry.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > At 10:37 PM 7/9/2004, Jon Lybrook wrote:
>> >> > > >Good advice, however, the scratches are happening through the
>> >handling of
>> >> > > >the transparencies, not coming off the printer. I'm generally
>pretty
>> >> > > >careful, but simply making test strips (on polymer plates under a
>> >vacuum
>> >> > > >frame) is resulting in scratches where the ink has been lifted
>off
>> >where
>> >> > > >the plate had been in contact with the transparency.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >Jon
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >At 09:54 PM 7/9/2004, Rocky Boudreaux wrote:
>> >> > > >>I'm not using the roll stuff but on regular Pictorico sheets II
>do
>> >> >sometimes
>> >> > > >>see, however they are on the uncoated side of the film and do
>not
>> >show
>> >> >up in
>> >> > > >>the final print.
>> >> > > >>To reduce these I put a piece of plain paper along with the
>> >Pictorico in
>> >> >the
>> >> > > >>loading area and have a blank piece of paper in the out put
>tray.
>> >> > > >>This gives the Pictorico a nice smooth surface to ride on as it
>goes
>> >> >through
>> >> > > >>the printer and has reduced the scratches.
>> >> > > >>I didn't think the plastic surface was that rough but having
>added
>> >the
>> >> >plain
>> >> > > >>paper reduced the scratching considerably.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>Rocky
>> >> > > >>Houston
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > >>From: Jon Lybrook [mailto:jon@terabear.com]
>> >> > > >>Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 9:04 PM
>> >> > > >>To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca;
>> >> >alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
>> >> > > >>Subject: Re: Inkjet Transparencies Scratching
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>It's a reasonable assertion.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>I've not had any problem with scratching in the past. I've not
>had
>> >any
>> >> > > >>output from a 7600 either.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>I assume you read the Pictorico manager's assertion reposted on
>this
>> >> >list
>> >> > > >>that the stock is the same, with the exception of a very slight
>> >decrease
>> >> >in
>> >> > > >>coating, which he claimed would make no difference. This could
>be
>> >the
>> >> > > >>difference resulting in scratching. The stock looks and feels
>the
>> >same
>> >> >as
>> >> > > >>the stuff I was buying with Pictorico on the label though.
>> > > > > >>
>> >> > > >>Anyone else using AccuArt2 on a roll having this problem?
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>Jon
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>At 08:01 PM 7/9/2004, Sandy King wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> >Hi Jon,
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >I have not had any problem with scratching or abrasion in
>making
>> >> >inkjet
>> >> > > >> >negatives on Pictorio with the Epson 2000P, 2200 and C-84. I
>> >simply
>> >> >handle
>> >> > > >> >the negatives with reasonable care and have never had a
>problem.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >Since the Epson 7600 is supposed to use the same inks as the
>2200
>> >I am
>> >> > > >> >wondering if perhaps the AccuArt2 material is not Pictorico?
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >Sandy King
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >>Never got a response on this, so I'm trying again.
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >>Does anybody do any post-printing techniques to their inkjet
>negs
>> >to
>> >> > > >> >>increase the durability and prevent scratching? A (non-UV
>> >> >Inhibiting)
>> >> > > >> >>spray of some sort maybe?
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >>Thanks,
>> >> > > >> >>Jon
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >>At 07:50 PM 7/7/2004, Jon Lybrook wrote:
>> >> > > >> >>>I've noticed the Pictorico (now AccuArt2) transparencies
>I've
>> >been
>> >> > > >> >>>getting from the Epson 7600 my friends have are very fragile
>and
>> >> >scratch
>> >> > > >> >>>way-easily. Are there any protective coatings or post
>printing
>> >> > > >> >>>procedures for making them a little more durable?
>> >> > > >> >>>
>> >> > > >> >>>TIA,
>> >> > > >> >>>Jon
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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Received on Sat Jul 10 15:28:39 2004