RE: planned obsolescence rules

Hi Susan,

No, I haven't been invited by the folks at the Formulary. Why don't you
put in a request? ;-)

Keith

PS. I checked out your website. Nice. I'm glad you didn't use perspective
"correction" on this one: http://www.susanhuber.com/gallery20.html Very
nice. I keep intending to make a trip to Alberta for the grain elevators.
Are there still any left?

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Susan Huber [mailto:shuber@ssisland.com]
  Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:33 AM
  To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
  Subject: Re: planned obsolescence rules

    Hi Keith,
    I too got an ASUS- it is a fine laptop except I still don't know how to
use a computer... maybe; some day...
    Susan
    www.susanhuber.com
    PS; are you going to be teaching next year at the Formulary?

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Keith Gerling
      To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
      Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 1:23 PM
      Subject: RE: planned obsolescence rules

      Tom. Chill. I was just kidding. I use my friend's dual cpu Mac and
it is very very sweet. The OS and hardware is engineered like a BMW as
compared to my Mustang GT which is fast but clunky.

      You might be surprised at how easy it is to build a PC these days.
The motherboard manufatureres supply glossy well-illustrated fold out
instructions that are very simple to follow. No setting jumpers and
tweaking the BIOS anymore. Anyone that can follow instruction to make a
platinum print (or, god forbid, a gum) can put one together these days.

      The other day I put together a system for my wife: 1 gig of memory on
a 2.6 ghz processor for $315. Asus motherboard: $50. Two strips 512 strips
of DDR: $160. AMD 2600 processor: $105. It took me twenty minutes, and I'm
no wiz at this stuff. She's got a very fast system with 1280 screen
resolution, 6 USB slots, firewire, Serial ATA, RAID , and great sound and
there's not a single card in it.

      Yes, I love Macs. I've got a PowerBook on my Christmas wish list (oh
pleeeese, Santa..), and I love my iPod. But I'm curious as to what a Mac
system comparable to the one above would cost. Any idea?

       -----Original Message-----
      From: Tom Ferguson [mailto:tomf2468@pipeline.com]
      Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:41 AM
      To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
      Subject: Re: planned obsolescence rules

        Now, Now, Stop That!... platform wars came be soooooo unpleasant.
I've had to work with and maintain a few PCs for clients.

        Cheaper, well yes you can buy poor quality PCs very cheaply. Apple
has resisted the temptation to put out low quality cheap boxes (a good thing
in my mind). Buy a well made PC with equal to Mac quality components and the
price difference is small (yes, PCs are slightly cheaper). Build it yourself
PC, you will easily beat the Apple price (assuming you don't add a value for
your time). But, that is something most folks don't want to (or can't) do. I
think it could be fun. I wish it was more do-able on the Mac side!

        Drivers for everything, yes they are "available" for PC but with too
many conflicts. The PC side is a far more "open" hardware system than Mac.
That leads to far more hardware/driver conflicts than I've ever seen on a
Mac. Of course that can be argued as an "advantage". One could try and
convince folks that the number of conflicts are higher primarily because the
number of options are higher (more "stuff" is made for PC than Mac).

        We won't go into PC worms, viruses, spyware, endless security
updates issued after problems have already been exploited........

        Could I be biased, yep. I've never gotten to buy and set up a PC on
my own. I've always gotten "thrown at" a problem PC by a client ("hey Tom
knows computers, let see if Tom can fix it").

        Me, I will happily stay with the Mac. I like it, I know it, it
works. I like the interface better, I like color management being part of
the OS. I'll live with some limited choices being the "minority" market.

        Others, know and like the PC. They will work with add on color
management (just how difficult is Adobe Gamma?), they will guard against
viruses, they will enjoy more hardware and software choices than I have.

        Set up and maintained correctly, we will do the same computer work
:-)

        Anyone want to argue Nikon versus Canon?

        On Sunday, November 21, 2004, at 12:25 AM, Keith Gerling wrote:

          It saddens me to hear grumbling in the Apple community. Maybe it's
time for
          you to consider Windows? The hardware is dirt cheap and lightning
fast.
          There are drivers for everything. Stable, too: I've got one
machine that
          hasn't been rebooted in months.

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        Tom Ferguson
        http://www.ferguson-photo-design.com

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