Re: Vandyke colors?

Joe, Loris et al

I agree with both of you about the (huge) difference in colors possible
between systems and configurations. I meant to say that subjectively the
color I got seems (much) lighter then most other VDB I've seen here and
there from various people. It's more a subjective observation then an actual
fact of course. I have a density range of 0.7 on my VDB tests maybe this
will help. I know this is dependent on a few variables such as the paper,
the coating method and the RH % but it's a number, a tiny bit less
subjective I would hope.

I wonder if others experience with selenium toning (VDB) are always similar
to those obtain by Joe, I mean color wise. I know the color I see for Joe's
image #8 and #9 are not the actual colors but when compared with his other
toned image, they are the closest to what I would like to get and most
similar to other VDB images I like color wise at least on my screen.

Thanks
Yves

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Smigiel" <jsmigiel@kvcc.edu>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Vandyke colors?

> Yves,
>
> Hard to say but I suspect the differences may simply be caused by using
> different papers or coating techniques. I use Cranes' Kid Finish
> ecruwhite generally and a "puddle pusher" glass coating rod. I suspect
> your Fabriano paper has a greater degree of sizing and much different
> surface and absorption characteristics, especially if coating by brush.
> The RH probably is also a factor and as Loris has remarked, perhaps
> solarization may also play a part.
>
> Joe
>
> >>> gauvreau-yves@sympatico.ca 02/27/06 7:55 PM >>>
> Joe,
>
> thanks a million, the color I get with 2 coats is very similar to your
> #1
> (single coat ecruwhite) and maybe even a bit lighter then that. This is
> base
> on the area outside the negative. Could this be because my coating was
> to
> thin or do you see another reason for the lighter tone (Dmax) I seem to
> be
> getting? In case this would help you, I used Fabriano Artistico Ultra
> white
> (hot pressed) and I followed the recipe and procedure given below (Wynn
> White). Yes, maybe it could be because of my low RH % situation
> overhere.
>
> Regards
> Yves
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Smigiel" <jsmigiel@kvcc.edu>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Vandyke colors?
>
>
> > Yves,
> >
> > Here's a test I ran a few months ago comparing Kodak Rapid Selenium
> > Toner, Kodak Polytoner, and Clerc's thiourea-gold toner both before or
> > after fixing. Be forewarned if you visit the image is a nude figure
> in
> > the woods:
> >
> >
>
http://my.net-link.net/~jsmigiel/images/technical/toners/vdb_test_11.28.05.j
> pg
> >
> > Processing steps are also indicated on the comparison.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > >>> gauvreau-yves@sympatico.ca 02/27/06 5:47 PM >>>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I wonder if anyone can direct me to image realised with the Vandyke
> > process
> > where I could compare the colors resulting from various toners.
> Looking
> > at
> > http://www.alternativephotography.com/process_vandyke.html there is no
> > way
> > to tell which is which. I like those colors, if someone know how they
> > where
> > done this would be fine. I haven't toned mine yet (only a few tests)
> but
> > the
> > color I get is is no where near what is shown there. I assume toning
> > would
> > change that and since describing colors with words is highly
> subjective
> > I'd
> > prefer to see colors then reading about them, if possible of course. I
> > know
> > in the end I'll have to find my own way around but this would
> > considerably
> > reduce experimentation, time and cost so if you can help I would
> > appreciate
> > greatly.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Yves
> >
> >
>
Received on Tue Feb 28 10:10:47 2006