Witho
I have been teaching alternative processes very successfully for a very long
time.and I have given a hell of a lot.. There are generations of students who
will attest to this.
If you had read things more carefully.you would have seen that your
perception was wrong. You are not aware of the facts and you draw the wrong
conclusions; this leads to your being unjustifiably offensive. But I suspect that was
your intention.
I would like to see things improve. I suggest that you prefer the status quo.
When I joined this list it was good but later, whenever I have set anything
up, such as APIS, somebody on this list attacked it. This is true not just
for me but is true for many others who would leave as they could not see the
point in putting up with this kind of nonsense. They had better things to do.
Somebody, who is a subscriber to this list has told me that the way I have
neen treated in the last week or so was 'absolutely disgusting'. In fact it
was like being in a school playground. .
I am a good teacher and have developed and suggested methods that are now
common in discussions on this list but now, when I suggest a way of doing
things, instead of accepting that it is a legitimate approach open for discussion,
it is pooh-poohed as it is not the accepted way of doing things. You need
some intiative here, not long discussions of insignificant and useless details.
When I suggest other ways of making sizes for platinum prints, someone tells
me that he cannot see the point as gelatine is good for the methods he uses
and implies that as he has not come across yellowing in albumenised paper it can
be of no significance..Now this is significant as the person concerned is a
guru on this list. I mention it as the most recent example. of many.
When I suggest that one can make develop gum prints in seconds rather than
hours, it is either ignored or I am told that my puddle pusher methods will
produce 'rotten' prints. Not very helpful for those trying to learn.
Recently when I made a simple comment about gum printing I got an emotional
and irrational spiel. This is not the first time this has happened.
Once, earlier, when I pointed out that a leading light had got something
wrong I was told that I would not know what had hit me and that there would be
blood on the carpet. I was even told that I could stay on the list if I did not
mention gum printing. I left. and stayed away.
That is why I am defensive. That is why I suggest that people should attend
conferences such as APIS in Santa Fe or in England as that is where you can
get a reasonable standard of discussion.That is why I, and many others do not
'give' as much as they might to this list. That is why I save things for
conferences. The 'benefit' is a rational exchange of ideas. Sometimes, but only
sometimes does one get that here
Sometimes one thinks that may be a chance that things could improve but one
is quickly dissillusioned by comments such as yours...
There is a silent majority who would prefer less domination by a few and
fewer of these silly attacks. They complain, but do nothing.
This list should be a place where people of like mind can discuss things in
an adult and informed manner. I am afraid that this is just not true . This
list cannot be taken seriously until it is properly administered.
I suggest that, if you have a serious interest in alternative photography,
you should attend conferences, go to exhibitions and museums , and read the
books and manuals. Incidentally, the author of one of the best manuals for those
starting in alternative photography, who happens to be a friend of mine, joined
this list but left quickly when all he got was insults. I hope that you take
the point.
This list has given others a bad name but if anyone is seeking a reasonable
level of discussion go to
the B&S web site
or
artaltphoto@yahoogroups.co.uk
Incidentally , the answer to the yellowing problem is that one uses an
organic rather than a mineral acid for clearing. It is in the manuals.
Terry
In a message dated 22/07/2006 10:21:47 GMT Daylight Time, info@witho.nl
writes:
>
> Hello Terry,
>
>
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> Why do you invite everybody to a conference or a workshop in stead of
> sharing what you know in this forum. Like this albumen question you again play your
> hide and seek game. You mention a problem (yellowing) which you have
> overcome but in stead of sharing how you start an argument (in a lengthy way). Just
> tell on list what is your solution to a problem in stead of referring to
> literature, experience and testing. All people acquire information the same way
> as you. So help the inexperienced in stead of telling them over and over that
> you have found a better solution. If you want to help people with their
> attitude towards learning do it of list. If you want to contribute with wisdom do
> it straight forward without hesitation and without the expectancy of benefit.
> If you feel that you have achieved it to be a master or a teacher behave
> like one.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Witho
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