RE: palladium drydown and developer (albumen & collodion)

Terry,

Why do you manage to suggest that everyone else is wrong and you are right?
My question is meant rhetorically, you need not answer.

I'm not going to waste any time and get to the point with my message today.

It's time for you to go, that is, to be banned from this list.

I vote we kick you and your drivel off the "island."

I therefore request that Gordon place you in exile once again.

I know others on this list, who feel the same as I, are not likely to make a
public disclosure of their disgust with your behavior. I would encourage
them to send a private e-mail to Gordon requesting your dismissal from the
list ASAP.

BTW, as far as the B&S list goes, you've pulled the same crap over there for
years; frankly I don't think they are interested in your participation there
either.

Don Bryant

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From: TERRYAKING@aol.com [mailto:TERRYAKING@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:48 AM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: palladium drydown and developer (albumen & collodion)

Witho

I have been teaching alternative processes very successfully for a very long
time.and I have given a hell of a lot.. There are generations of students
who will attest to this.

If you had read things more carefully.you would have seen that your
perception was wrong. You are not aware of the facts and you draw the wrong
conclusions; this leads to your being unjustifiably offensive. But I
suspect that was your intention.

I would like to see things improve. I suggest that you prefer the status
quo.

When I joined this list it was good but later, whenever I have set anything
up, such as APIS, somebody on this list attacked it. This is true not just
for me but is true for many others who would leave as they could not see the
point in putting up with this kind of nonsense. They had better things to
do.

Somebody, who is a subscriber to this list has told me that the way I have
neen treated in the last week or so was 'absolutely disgusting'. In fact
it was like being in a school playground. .

I am a good teacher and have developed and suggested methods that are now
common in discussions on this list but now, when I suggest a way of doing
things, instead of accepting that it is a legitimate approach open for
discussion, it is pooh-poohed as it is not the accepted way of doing
things. You need some intiative here, not long discussions of insignificant
and useless details.

When I suggest other ways of making sizes for platinum prints, someone tells
me that he cannot see the point as gelatine is good for the methods he uses
and implies that as he has not come across yellowing in albumenised paper it
can be of no significance..Now this is significant as the person concerned
is a guru on this list. I mention it as the most recent example. of many.

When I suggest that one can make develop gum prints in seconds rather than
hours, it is either ignored or I am told that my puddle pusher methods will
produce 'rotten' prints. Not very helpful for those trying to learn.

Recently when I made a simple comment about gum printing I got an emotional
and irrational spiel. This is not the first time this has happened.

Once, earlier, when I pointed out that a leading light had got something
wrong I was told that I would not know what had hit me and that there would
be blood on the carpet. I was even told that I could stay on the list if I
did not mention gum printing. I left. and stayed away.

That is why I am defensive. That is why I suggest that people should attend
conferences such as APIS in Santa Fe or in England as that is where you can
get a reasonable standard of discussion.That is why I, and many others do
not 'give' as much as they might to this list. That is why I save things for
conferences. The 'benefit' is a rational exchange of ideas. Sometimes, but
only sometimes does one get that here

Sometimes one thinks that may be a chance that things could improve but one
is quickly dissillusioned by comments such as yours...

There is a silent majority who would prefer less domination by a few and
fewer of these silly attacks. They complain, but do nothing.

This list should be a place where people of like mind can discuss things in
an adult and informed manner. I am afraid that this is just not true . This
list cannot be taken seriously until it is properly administered.

I suggest that, if you have a serious interest in alternative photography,
you should attend conferences, go to exhibitions and museums , and read the
books and manuals. Incidentally, the author of one of the best manuals for
those starting in alternative photography, who happens to be a friend of
mine, joined this list but left quickly when all he got was insults. I hope
that you take the point.

This list has given others a bad name but if anyone is seeking a reasonable
level of discussion go to

the B&S web site

or

artaltphoto@yahoogroups.co.uk

Incidentally , the answer to the yellowing problem is that one uses an
organic rather than a mineral acid for clearing. It is in the manuals.

Terry

In a message dated 22/07/2006 10:21:47 GMT Daylight Time, info@witho.nl
writes:

          Hello Terry,

Why do you invite everybody to a conference or a workshop in stead of
sharing what you know in this forum. Like this albumen question you again
play your hide and seek game. You mention a problem (yellowing) which you
have overcome but in stead of sharing how you start an argument (in a
lengthy way). Just tell on list what is your solution to a problem in stead
of referring to literature, experience and testing. All people acquire
information the same way as you. So help the inexperienced in stead of
telling them over and over that you have found a better solution. If you
want to help people with their attitude towards learning do it of list. If
you want to contribute with wisdom do it straight forward without hesitation
and without the expectancy of benefit. If you feel that you have achieved it
to be a master or a teacher behave like one.

Regards,

Witho
Received on 07/23/06-12:03:34 AM Z