Re: Voting list members off the island

Hi Loris,
No, you weren't at all included in any of my remarks, but thanks for
taking the time to think about it and respond. My comment about the
arrogance of imposing one's preferences on the list community as a
whole was directed specifically at those who have actively tried to
limit the range of discussion topics, who have complained again and
again about discussions of alt-photo topics that they don't
personally find interesting, and more specifically, who have tried to
quash discussions involving test results or mechanisms of process.
You certainly weren't among the folks I was thinking of, and as a
matter of fact I don't recall your ever doing anything of the kind,
so I think you're off the hook.

But this is another example of how when you make a general criticism
without naming the people you're criticizing, innocent people will
mistakenly name themselves.

I wasn't criticizing your plan to compare the methods, at all; in
fact my earlier post on that subject should have made that clear.
When claims are made, the reasonable and professional thing to do is
test those claims and see whether you are able to substantiate them
or not. Either way, it's more data for the collective database. I
applaud that kind of professional response to Terry's provocations;
what I found annoying were the sort of juvenile catcalls and taunts
and giggles that were going on in the background, that were in fact
disrespectful if not outright insulting.

All the best,
Katharine

On Jul 24, 2006, at 3:53 AM, Loris Medici wrote:

> Dear Katharine,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Katharine Thayer [mailto:kthayer@pacifier.com]
> Sent: 24 Temmuz 2006 Pazartesi 01:22
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: Voting list members off the island
>
>
>> "...But every now and then someone takes it upon himself to try to
>>
> limit the discussions to some lowest common denominator of topics
> which
> would interest absolutely everyone."
>
> Agree. My observation is that: this behaviour often show itself in the
> gum threads. Probably because with gum there are so many parameters to
> consider, so many unknown details and so many ways to heaven...
>
>
>> "...To try to impose one's own preferences on the list community as a
>>
> whole is megalomania indeed. Terry and some of his detractors have
> been
> equally guilty of engaging in these campaigns, which as Peter says
> about the campaign against the Rex processes, can be much more
> annoying
> and tedious than whatever information or discussion they are
> intended to
> quash in the first place; in fact, in my opinion they are invariably
> so."
>
> I hope I'm not in the scope of this comment, but I feel to reply
> anyway
> because I was somehow misunderstood by you recently in a similar
> context
> (Remember David's "one coat gum" thread? I was accused by you for
> imposing my preferences to others) I never try to impose my subjective
> views / preferences to people, I just state them and explain the whys.
> Do you think it will help if I put the line "...Opinions presented in
> this message are purely subjective, you're free to make your own
> decision / draw your own conclusion by taking them into
> consideration or
> disregarding them (completely or partly in either case)." to the
> end of
> my every message? Because I'm slowly starting to get disturbed of
> being
> labeled that way - of course that is if you consider me as one of the
> persons mentioned in your above comment... (I somehow felt that
> this is
> the case.)
>
> To me, approaching to the preferences and justifications one has made
> (very carefully and logically) in a derogatory / contemptuous /
> dismissive manner, without providing any sensible information /
> facts /
> counter-hypothesis is highly offending (since I see myself as a
> sensible
> / logical person; in fact, I make my living by programming computers)
> and a form of imposition. BTW, I'm never afraid to stand corrected
> and/or give credit to someone who deserves it (even if they
> defeated me
> in an argument). New / correct / useful information enriches me - and
> that is exactly the reason of my presence in this list (many thanks to
> all list contributors).
>
> Thanks for listening (reading actually).
>
> Greetings from Istanbul,
> Loris.
>
>
Received on 07/24/06-08:09:04 AM Z