Re: "How Old", "The Killing Fields" and Photo Crit

Dean,

I was not around back then (I've only been on the list for about a month
now), but I have heard stories.

I understand that these grudges are rooted for 10+ years, but my point was
that this list is not the place for personal attacks. We're all adults
here (at least I think we are), and as such we should all excercise enough
self control to avoid taking cheap shots at each other.

Camden Hardy

camden@hardyphotography.net
http://www.hardyphotography.net

On Tue, July 25, 2006 11:54 am, Dean Kansky wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Camden, while I do not disagree with you, you also
> have to understand - and if you read through the
> archives from the late 90's you will - the context:
> these problems have been running for around a decade.
> 10 years! and took place on two different lists.
>
> Moreover, what is going on now is nothing compared to
> what happened last time: Terry, for example, said Judy
> slandered the list in her wonderful Post Factory, and
> she did not in any any way. He, in point of fact, with
> that claim slandered her. It came out of no place,
> since by then the two were not speaking. It was just
> something dropped in amid praise for her journal.
>
> Also, as I recall, Terry tried to contact the FBI when
> someone, he said, made threats (as I recall from a
> post to the Photo Crit list).
>
> These are only two small things from a long history.
> If you were there not back there then, it is hard,
> very hard, to understand why the vets of that time are
> on edge.
>
> I have been on two other lists, non photo, for men who
> wear bespoke clothing and the tailors who make the
> clothing. And there were two or three problems.
> Nothing like this list in the 90's. Not even close.
>
> This place was the Killing Fields back then.
>
> Trust me, we will visit this issue again.
>
> I had another post written to point out blame, without
> mentioning a name and a kind of methodology for
> finding if one person was really to blame or not. But
> in the interest of list harmony, and getting back to
> important things, I have held back from posting it.
>
> For now, dear list, I think it is time to call an end
> to this debate or meta-discussion. Gordon has seen fit
> to kick Terry off the list, when he has felt Terry
> went too far (twice by my count). He has seen to
> forgive him, also and let him back. Terry has never
> said Gordon was wrong, has mistreated him, or has been
> unfair. As concerns the past, that makes a lot of
> things clear.
>
> No matter what anyone thinks, pro or con, we must
> accept the situation if we wish to stay on the list.
> It is not our list, so we must leave or delete. So
> lets end this, all right, and get back to work.
>
> BTW, while I agree with many who talk about the use of
> the delete button, there can be a chilling effect if
> members are afraid or are to busy to deal with an
> unfriendly critique of their posts. If someone feels
> belittled, they respond and on and on and on.
>
> Dean
>
> P.s. Does anyone know if the a Photo Crit list is
> still around???
>
> --- Camden Hardy <camden@hardyphotography.net> wrote:
>
>> Do we really have nothing better to do than bitch
>> and moan about a select
>> few members on this list?
>>
>> If a certain person bothers you, there are a few
>> things you can do:
>> 1) Read the person's posts (sometimes skip the
>> reading step), then openly
>> criticize everything they say (I won't name any
>> names here).
>> 2) Read the person's posts. If for some reason you
>> feel the need to reply
>> (whether you agree or disagree), do so respectfully.
>> 3) Use that handy little "delete" button (sometimes
>> appears as a big "X")
>> and don't even bother reading their posts.
>>
>> Personally, I prefer to see options 2 & 3, but more
>> often than not I see
>> #1. I waste more time wading through the posts in
>> category #1 than I do
>> actually reading informative messages. This should
>> NOT be the case.
>>
>> This list was intended for folks to help each other,
>> not name calling. If
>> you want to call each other names, do it off list so
>> we don't have to hear
>> about it.
>>
>> Camden Hardy
>>
>> camden@hardyphotography.net
>> http://www.hardyphotography.net
>>
>>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
Received on 07/25/06-12:35:20 PM Z