Re:Selenium-toning Van Dyke Brown prints
I have found that once the highlights are
stained, which happens with selenium toning when
there are silver salts left in the print, there
is no way to get rid of the stain. Perhaps the
gold may knock the stain down a bit, but it is
still there, which you can tell by comparing your
highlight to a fresh sheet of the paper.
My experience with selenium toning is the same
with VDB as kallitype. Selenium is highly
sensitive to residual silver salts left in the
print and the only way to tone without staining
is to first give the print a long and effective
wash.
Sandy
At 7:55 AM +0200 9/27/06, Stane Kocar wrote:
Sandy,
toning with gold after selenium cools and clears
highlights a bit and kills highlights yellowing
you mentioned.
Regards
Stane
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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:29 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: Selenium-toning Van Dyke Brown prints
Toning after fixing and a long final wash is the
*only* way I would consider using selenium with
VDB. Selenium reacts readily with any soluble
silver salts left in the print after development
and this causes staining. This is the reason for
the yellow or yellow-pink color. If you want nice
clean highlights with VDB the only way to get
them IMO with selenium toning is to fix the print
and thoroughly wash it before toning. Not just a
wash of 5-10 minutes, but a very thorough wash.
Sandy
Interesting to hear everyone's experiences. I
used a much weaker solution of KRST (I would
estimate around 1:500) and toned /after/
fixing, for about 1-2 minutes. The colour
change is not huge, but very noticeable. After
re-examining my KRST-toned prints last night, I
can see a bit of a yellow hue emerging in the
highlights (though not much), but more
significantly, the heavy red cast of untoned
VDBs is gone and replaced with a more neutral
brown.
I haven't tried gold/thiourea toning (I was
reluctant to cough up the dough for gold
chloride -- though after seeing Loris' scans, I
think I will try) but I prefer the colour of my
KRST-toned VDBs to untoned VDBs.
Jordan
Loris Medici wrote:
Camden, add me to the list... I absolutely didn't like the (yellowish) color
I got from Selenium toned (1:200) Vandykes. I prefer better the original
unaltered color OR the color I get after gold/thiourea toning.
Regards,
Loris.
-----Original Message-----
From: Camden Hardy
[mailto:camden@hardyphotography.net] Sent: 25
Eylül 2006 Pazartesi 18:42
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: Selenium-toning Van Dyke Brown prints
Jordan,
I've toned VDBs in Kodak's Selenium before, and I was actually quite
disappointed. I guess I just prefer the untoned colors for my VDB prints.
Camden Hardy
camden[at]hardyphotography[dot]net
http://www.hardyphotography.net
On Mon, September 25, 2006 9:06 am, Jordan Wosnick wrote:
Hi everyone,
I would be interested in hearing from people
who selenium-tone their VDB prints.
I was prepared to be disappointed when I
tried it (based on Wynn White's article on
Unblinkingeye and posts on APUG) but was
actually quite pleased. I used a tiny amount
of Kodak Rapid Selenium Toner (literally a
few drops in a tray of water) and toned after
fixing. The colour change began almost
immediately and eliminated the somewhat
sickly reddish-brown of the VDB, pushing it
much closer to a warm gray-brown.
Based on what I had read, I was expecting a
huge amount of image reduction, but I didn't
see much at all.
Anyone else tone their VDBs in KRST?
Thanks
Jordan
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much weaker solution of KRST (I would estimate around 1:500) and toned
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but very noticeable. After re-examining my KRST-toned prints last night,
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