RE: Ware/Malde-Ziatype-DOP palladium,was RE: "New" Paper for Pt/Pd (and other iron processes, too)
> Camden, The Ware/Malde system should not lead you to a specific color, nor > does the Ziatype or Traditional DOP. They are all capable of producing > prints of various colors. I'm aware that both processes can be adjusted to create a warm or cool tone. The articles I've read about each all had charts showing the factors that can shift from a cool to a warm tone. I asked the question because the term "warm" is fairly vague. Sepia and thiourea are both "warm" toners, but thiourea is more toward the yellow end. "Warm" could mean red, yellow, pink (just kidding), etc. I'm wondering whether one process is capable of producing warm colors that the other can't. Camden Hardy camden[at]hardyphotography[dot]net http://www.hardyphotography.net > I think that you'd be better thinking of the reasons that any pt/pd prints > changes color and one of the biggest contributors to that is humidity or > lack thereof. There are big gereralizations that can be made about PT, PD > and humidity. There are also several very good ways to develop these > images > that influence color. > > > > > Eric Neilsen Photography > 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 > Dallas, TX 75226 > 214-827-8301 > http://ericneilsenphotography.com > > Skype : ejprinter> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sandy King [mailto:sanking@clemson.edu] >> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:30 PM >> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca >> Subject: Re: Ware/Malde-Ziatype-DOP palladium, was RE: "New" >> Paper for Pt/Pd (and other iron processes, too) >> >> I have not done anything with ziatype other than >> print with straight FAO plus lithium palladium >> chloride. >> >> Sandy >> >> >> >> >> At 8:21 AM -0700 11/30/06, Camden Hardy wrote: >> >Sandy, >> > >> >Have you tried adding sodium tungstate to the ziatype emulsion >> to get >> >warmer tones? >> > >> >If so, how does the color compare to that of the Ware/Malde >> POP process? >> > >> >Camden Hardy >> > >> >camden[at]hardyphotography[dot]net >> >http://www.hardyphotography.net >> > >> > >> >On Wed, November 29, 2006 10:37 pm, Sandy King wrote: >> >> Hi Loris, >> >> >> >> I always control temperature at around 70F, and >> >> within certain limits I can also control RH. >> >> However, for various reasons it is much easier to >> >> control RH in the 50-60% range in my working room >> >> than at the extremes. >> >> >> >> At 55% RH I really like the results I get with >> >> the Ware/Malde POP palladium process. Dmax is >> >> excellent and the color is a nice warm black. In >> >> some ways nicer than with DOP palladium. But if >> >> the RH changes by as much as 5% there will be a >> >> chance in image color, warmer going down, more >> >> neutral going up. But this is ok, since I have >> >> excellent control of RH in the 50-60% range. >> >> However, the color shift with RH change is one of >> >> the great attractions of the Ware/Malde method. >> >> And with dichromate contrast control, which Mike >> >> chose not to exploit, you can get contrast >> >> control *and* the color you want. And without the >> >> cessium salt needed with Ziatype. >> >> >> >> However, if the type of image one likes is very >> >> neutral black, Ziatype with the lithium salt by >> >> itself gives great results. I would find it very >> >> difficult to make this color with Ware/Malde >> >> because a RH of 80% or so would be almost >> >> impossible to obtain in my working environment. >> >> >> >> Sandy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 8:16 PM +0200 11/29/06, Loris Medici wrote: >> >>>I see. Agree with you on the fact that making identical >> looking prints >> >>> with >> >>>POP version (at least Ziatype) can be hard... But, that >> shouldn't that >> >>> much >> >>>hard to you? I mean you have a lightsource with integrator, >> you can >> >>> control >> >>>humidity and temperature in your working area, you're >> accustomed to be >> >>>consistent in coating + drying the paper (in fact, you're a >> master carbon >> >>>printer!). Do you still find hard to get consistent / close >> results? >> >>> >> >>>About compression in the shadows: I cheat, I artificially >> increase >> >>> contrast >> >>>in the shadows. When you have problems - even if you have a >> perfect >> >>>calibration - some extra contrast boost in the shadows (it >> should look >> >>>almost weird on your screen) will do good in that aspect... >> The more >> >>> texture >> >>>you have in the shadows, the less you have this "looks dull" >> problem. Low >> >>>key images with delicate tonal transitions make another >> problem - I think >> >>>Pt/Pd (or any other process which results a matte print) is >> not the best >> >>>choice for this type of imagery... Carbon is, in my >> understanding. >> >>> >> >>>Regards, >> >>>Loris. >> >>> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >> >>>From: Sandy King [mailto:sanking@clemson.edu] >> >>>Sent: 29 Kas¾m 2006 Çars¸amba 18:16 >> >>>To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca >> >>>Subject: RE: "New" Paper for Pt/Pd (and other iron >> processes, too) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>What I meant by hard to beat is the consistency of DOP, i.e. >> the >> >>> capability >> >>>of making multiple prints, all with the same density and >> color, without >> >>>worrying about changes in exposure. >> >>> >> >>>FAO with the ammonium salt gives beautiful chocolate colors, >> if printing >> >>> at >> >>>low humidity. >> >>>But you need some type of contrast control if working with >> negatives of >> >>> DR >> >>>of 1.8 or so intended for DOP palladium. You can actually >> get it by >> >>> adding a >> >>>few drops of dichromate to the sensitizer, as you do with >> ziatype. There >> >>> is >> >>>no down side to this as far as I can see, and the ability to >> control >> >>>contrast this way makes the Ware/Malde process quite >> flexible. >> >>> >> >>>FAO with the lithium salt (ziatype) also works well, though >> I have only >> >>> made >> >>>a few prints with it. But for persons who like nice neutral >> black prints >> > >>this is the way to go with palladium. >> >>> >> >>>But printing with Pt./Pd. drives me crazy at times. The >> prints always >> >>> have >> >>>this glorious look when they are washing, and when you hang >> them up to >> >>> dry. >> >>>Then you come back the next morning when they are dry and >> they look dull. >> >>> By >> >>>contrast, carbon prints improve in look as they dry. I do >> find that a >> >>> couple >> >>>of coats of some kind of clear gloss lacquer or varnish >> recovers some of >> >>> the >> >>>wet look, but not all of it. >> >>> >> >>>Sandy >> >> >> >> > > > >
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