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RE: pinhole negatives without electricity?

	These days, used Polaroid holders are VERY cheap.  Who needs a new
one?  I am STILL using one that I bought USED in 1974.  
	Chris is right, you can wait to process later but this very much
contradicts the primary purpose of Polaroid...nearly immediate feedback on
your efforts.  Shoot, process, sulfite, rinse, view, and store in water.  If
you don't like the neg, shoot another one!  
******Remember, the exposure that makes a good print is less than the
exposure that makes a good negative.  For alt process, it is the NEGATIVE
that counts...si?  In this case, "You've got to accentuate the negative!
Eliminate the positive! Hang on to the affirmative!  Stay away from Mr. In
Between!"  Mahn, does this date me?  Or is it that I have seen both versions
of "The Singing Detective"?

-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Seigel [mailto:jseigel@panix.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:03 PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: pinhole negatives without electricity?

Many thanks to Chris and others for amplifications, additions, and 
further explications today...

The friend I've been forwarding these thoughts to called this morning with 
thanks: We agreed that the input of different ideas from many directions 
has been SO much better than solo contemplation -- however well informed.

And of course there are further comments tonight... Even if some of the 
suggestions probably won't fit the situation (I love Chris's idea of 
giving each student some sodium sulfite and letting them carry or find 
their own water -- but this operation may involve rounding up particpants 
directly in the field)... Again, the comment adds detail, and points up 
what, not having quite done exactly this operation yet, may have been 


On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, Christina Z. Anderson wrote:

> Good morning all,
> I haven't followed the original question too closely so forgive me if I 
> diverge and have missed one qualifying part of it, or repeated another 
> responder's advice.
> Polaroid works wonderfully in a pinhole camera except one has to have a 
> Polaroid holder (about $150 new) and it does experience reciprocity
> However, you can see the print/neg instantly so you'd only waste one
> probably before you figured it out. I have also shot Maco infrared film,
> did a student (he did 8x10) and it experiences HUGE reciprocity failure.
> nice thing about 4x5 film is you can load all your holders in the darkroom

> first and not worry about light tightness. But I think there was the
> to "develop" in the field?  I've shot 4x5 film and 4x10 film in pinholes
> unloaded them in a black bag in the field into a box that is light tight 
> (color paper box) and developed when I got home.  That works great.  No 
> leaks.  With Polaroid Type 55 you can also not "process" the film when you

> pull it out of the camera and wait to process it when arriving home by 
> reloading it in the holder and then pulling it through Process mode. That
> you don't have to carry sodium sulfite into the field, which is smelly and

> sloshes and spills.  But I did, when I taught P/N55 with the view camera
> my view camera class, give each student a couple tablespoons in a plastic 
> baggie to take in the field which they could then fill with water and put
> film in that to rinse--small amount of space and weight to carry.
> I have the Santa Barbara pinhole 4x5 available on Eric Renner's website
> it works great with the Polaroid holder. I also have the pinhole/zoneplate

> Tech one that is a real gem.
> Chris
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryuji Suzuki" <rs@silvergrain.org>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>; <jseigel@panix.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:43 PM
> Subject: Re: pinhole negatives without electricity?
>> From: Judy Seigel <jseigel@panix.com>
>> Subject: RE: pinhole negatives without electricity?
>> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:07:32 -0400 (EDT)
>>> Possibly the expense?
>> Way cheaper than setting up something else... like dark tent,
>> doing any wet processing, etc., in the field.
>>> Possibly you can't use them in a pinhole camera???
>> There are many people who use Type 55 with pinhole. Just
>> google and you'll find pages of reports.
>> I'm not sure what the problem is...
>> --
>> Ryuji Suzuki
>> "I can't believe I'm here.
>> People always say that I'm a long way from normal."
>> (Bob Dylan, Normal, Illinois, 13 February 1999)

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