RE: Réf. : Re: Réf. : Re: Fresson = Echague Look.
Philipe, Thanks for your nice comment! Dave ________________________________ From: Philippe Berger [mailto:mineurdecharbon@skynet.be] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:26 PM To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca Subject: Réf. : Re: Réf. : Re: Fresson = Echague Look. Sandy, Thank You Art Chaklis or Dave Soemarko are the solution for the carbon Direct but it is also a secret The carbon direct is a very good secret My choise is the carbon Transfer process, it is no a secret Philippe -------Message original------- De : Sandy King <mailto:sanking@clemson.edu> Date : 16/01/2008 22:21:09 A : alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca Sujet : Re: Réf. : Re: Fresson = Echague Look. Phillippe, I would think so but have never done it myself. Perhaps Art Chaklis will comment on the feasibility of this. Sandy At 7:19 PM +0100 1/16/08, Philippe Berger wrote: Sandy, Just a question, is it possible to making a Carbon Direct without this coating machine ? I thing "Yes", i am a process for coating on paper a carbon direct but i am not a good Carbon Direct Formulary Philippe -------Message original------- De : Sandy King <mailto:sanking@clemson.edu> Date : 16/01/2008 19:12:54 A : achakali@wideopenwest.com; alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca Sujet : Re: Fresson = Echague Look. Ortiz Echague does appear to have had problems with the coating machine. When I was in Madrid in the mid-80s doing my research for a book on pictorial photography in Spain I met a member of the Real Sociedad Fotografica who had worked with Echague on many occasions in his laboratory. He told me that Echague had experienced many difficulties in getting a good coating, and that the number of prints that he actually made with papers from the machine were very small compared to the number he made with papers manufactured by the Fresson family. Sandy At 11:36 AM -0600 1/16/08, achakali@wideopenwest.com wrote: >Tom, > >The Fresson's have never patented anything. If they had it wouldn't be a >secret but rather a public document. Their process is a trade secret. > >Ortiz was sold a Fresson coating machine and formula according to Bill >Foster (Bill printed in Fresson when the paper had been available to him, he >knew and photographed with Oritz). Oritz purchased Fresson paper from the >Fresson's up until he bought the machine and formula. It is Bill's belief >that the machine never really functioned properly as he never saw any new >work from Ortiz once the machine showed up . . . this might explain why no >one has ever seen a print from Nadeau who is the current owner of the >machine. > >Sincerely, Art > > >On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:19:27 +0100, Tom Sobota wrote >> John, >> >> I remember reading somewhere that in the 1960's there were several >> Fressons who were descendants of the inventor of the method. One of >> them sold the patent to Ortiz. The others are still active with the >> process at the Atelier Fresson. Probably at that time there existed >> two or more machines. >> >> Tom Sobota >> Madrid, Spain >> >> John Grocott wrote: >> > Hi All, >> > Jose Ortiz Echague, undoubtedly, though the galactic >> > amount of successful prints he made by Fresson methods, has become >> > almost synonymous with this Direct Carbon process. >> > >> > Other well known photographers such as Sheila >> > Metzner had their pictures made by the Fressons. Echague, himself, >> > worked with the Direct Carbon paper which was sold to him. The Fressons >> > gave Echague the formulae for the emulsions together with the machine to >> > mass produce the paper for himself since they discontinued making it >> > for commercial sales. One wonders how the Fressons continued to make >> > the paper, as they still do to this very day for their own use, if they >> > never had another machine or alternative method standing >by.............. >> > >> > I am dabbling with plans to make a machine tho' most of my Direct >> > Carbon coating methods have so far been successfully done, by >> > hand, without a machine. >> > >> > Marek seems to be achieving good results, also, without a machine. >> > >> > Hey Ho. The quest goes on +on + on + on + on............. >> > >> > John - Photographist - London - UK >> > >> > > > >-- >WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com) __________ Information NOD32 2798 (20080116) __________ Ce message a ete verifie par NOD32 Antivirus System. http://www.nod32.com imstp_pets_cat1_fr_2 4.gif <http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=101290&rui=88673142> The following document was sent as an embedded object but not referenced by the email above: Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:faint_grain 12.jpg (JPEG/prvw) (0011EE71) __________ Information NOD32 2798 (20080116) __________ Ce message a ete verifie par NOD32 Antivirus System. http://www.nod32.com Binettes GRATUITES pour vos courriels - par IncrediMail! Cliquez ici! <http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=101290&rui=88673142>
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