Re: Masa findings
yes, I would say you are missing my first post in this thread, where I describe that what I'm doing is investigating ways to make a finished gum print more presentable. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:08 PM, sam wang <stwang@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Wait a minute. You used gelatin to stick the paper to the aluminum? Why? To > prevent shrinkage? > > Unless the gelatin got hardened from the dichromate in the gum, and got > enough exposure, I would expect it to dissolve in warm water. But all this > is separate from letting a developed print dry on the aluminum in order to > keep it flat. > > Am I missing something? > > Sam Wang > > > > On May 7, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Keith Gerling wrote: > > > > Thanks, Sam. I've done that, and it looks good for awhile. But then > > the crinkly finish returns. I think it is more a matter of the > > varying degree of gum warping the surface. The gelatin pulls > > everything together and even things out. > > > > I forgot to mention something regarding this: when I tried to adhere > > the rough side to the aluminum with gelatin, it did NOT let loose. > > Totally glued the paper to the surface. > > > > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:08 PM, sam wang <stwang@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > Keith, > > > > > > Instead of putting the print faced down on a piece of aluminum, try > laying > > > it on the aluminum or a piece of glass emulsion side up. Don't squeegee, > > > just let it smooth itself on the support. When dry, you can easily pop > it > > > off. > > > > > > I dry pt/pd prints made on the even thinner "rice paper" that way. Don't > > > need to use the drymount press afterwards. Should work with gum on Masa. > > > > > > Sam Wang > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 7, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Keith Gerling wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I love printing gum on Masa paper, but I have to admit that the final > > > > result has something to be desired. The paper lacks "character" and > > > > is so thin that the dried print is very warped and crinkly. > > > > Dry-mounting works well, but I would really like to find an > > > > alternative that doesn't have such a permanent effect on the print. > > > > Besides, Masa is so thin and light that a stack of 10 prints weighs > > > > about as much as one mount board. > > > > > > > > I've played with a couple of flattening ideas that, while ultimately > > > > unsuccessful, still are kind of interesting. One of them in > > > > particular gives a finished print that is unlike any gum print I have > > > > ever seen - sort of like a ferrotyped silver gelatin print. I print > > > > on the SMOOTH side, wet the finished dry print, brush on a layer of > > > > gelatin, and squeegee this to a shiny piece of aluminum face down. As > > > > the gelatin dries, the print shrinks and it pulls itself off of the > > > > aluminum. The result is a very shiny gum print. Unfortunately, it > > > > does very little for the dmax. Still, it is a rather novel look that > > > > I can see might have some use. > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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