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Re: Alt collections in Europe

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From: Jean Daubas
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Alt collections in Europe

Hi Jalo,
About France, Christian has already told you about the wonderful collection at the SFP.
Now, some other ideas...
-1-   I strongly advise you to leave Paris for 1 or 2 days and go to the "Musée Niepce" of Chalon sur Saône  (birthplace of photography as you know and located in the heart of Burgundy vines  which is not so bad  ;-)  ). Access from Paris is very easy  (car or fast speed TGV train)
They have huge, fascinating collections, historical and more contemporary. Only a very small part of them is permanently shown but they will be pleased to show you some of the reserves.
If you feel interested, and as soon as you have more precise dates, contact me directly. I very often work with their team and with the "Société des Amis du musée Niepce" and I may arrange for you a "sur mesure" visit taking into account your wishes.  Don't hesitate to ask for my help : I'll be really very glad for that !
-2-    I also often go to Lausanne (Switzerland) at the "Musée de l'Elysée" where they have also rich collections including alt-process photography. And where you are there , why don't go to the "Musée Suisse de l'Appareil photographique" in Vevey some 20 kms further alongside the beautiful Lake of Geneva, in the middle of vineyards (again !!!) facing the Alps  There, they have less pictures but a wonderful collection of cameras and antique darkroom equipments.
-3-    I also think of Permadocument - Atelier pH7 in Brussels, belgium. This is the place of Roger Kockaerts, artist , alt printer, collector specialised in alt-prints. He was a member of our list but I don't know if he is still there. I've yet never been in his place but I'll have an exhibition scheduled there for November and december of this year.
I know that several of our list members have already exhibited in his gallery : Diana Bloomfield (may-july 2008), Christian Nze (2007), Christina Z. Anderson,  Sam Wang (2006) and probably others... And since each artist has to leave a piece of work for the Atelier pH7 collection, you are sure to discover works of them  + other contemporary photographers and Roger's own work ...
-4-  While in Belgium, have a look to the Musée de la Photographie in Charleroi. they've have plenty of interesting collections to see.
I give you the links for the different places I mentioned to you.
Hope it helps and ask for more if you need,
Cheers from france
Jean Daubas, auteur-photographe
16 rue de Bourg-Sec
25440 LIESLE    (France)
+33 (0)3 81 57 50 13   et +33 (0)6 81 53 12 89
At 04:27 29/08/2008, you wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Chris Nze wrote:

The SFP is closed to the old BNF , but the new BNF François mitterand is
@ 15 minutes by tube.
I think you should contact the SFP if you offer enough garantee , you can
organize a demachy exhibition in the USA.

I discussed this project with a friend and we decided that if I figured my time at minimum wage, even should it be successful (Xteen years down the road), it would be FAR cheaper to just pop over to France, first class, and dine, etc., chez Michelin, also more likely to occur within my lifetime.

Not to mention that folks in this city so seldom take my advice. (If they did, obviously, it would be a better place-- indeed a better world.) Meanwhile, I like your suggested itinerary -- including the falafal.

The friend -- who lives in London -- was visiting New York & reminisced about the Victoria and Albert some years ago:  She said you just asked to see such and such, and they handed you boxes of prints, or boxes and boxes, and left you with them as long as you liked. (Similarly at Radford.)  We weren't sure if that still obtains, but it's not the drill in the Metropolitan Museum cafeteria ... Today I wanted a piece of something to wrap unfinished half of sandwich & found serious protocol required: it seems folks were stealing so much food they made a no-container rule.

However, we saw -- among dazzling art wherever the eye landed in any direction-- lovely, lovely photographs by Julia Margaret Cameron (including some of those iconic portraits of men that even Gernsheim liked), also Nadar, among others, & a couple of stunningly beautiful salt prints by Wm Henry Fox Talbot. (Tho he's associated with brilliant invention, the beauty of some of those early landscapes may be overlooked.) Also in a glass case an original "Pencil of Nature." Etc.

Folks on the list visiting NYC have asked what "alt" shows are in town. IME, the best "alt" is usually in the photo galleries at the Met.  (I don't recall this show getting any special acclaim, it may be "expected" from the Gilmore collection.) Across the hall is a modern collection of "Photographers on Photography," needless to say an interesting juxtaposition (and changed from the last time I saw it). But generally speaking the Met is so indifferent to photography they call those galleries -- which ALWAYS have photography -- "special exhibition" rather than "photography" galleries.

Anyway, it won't be tomorrow, but it may yet be that I "drop in."  And will call you. Thanks, Chris.


Paris is a small town compare to Manhatan NY and many of the museum are
in the center. SO orsay www.musee-orsay.fr/ is only 5minute by tube from
THe MEP( European museum of photography http://www.mep-fr.org/) which is
5 min walk from the carnavalet http://www.carnavalet.paris.fr/ ( but here
you may see the program before visiting , because they have a great
collection but they don't show it often.
So if they don't have any  photo exhibition you may have a falalel ( the
best in the world ) in Rue des rosier  (closed on shabbat) . then take a
bus who will bring you to the SFP in 20 min.
The best thing is to call me before you come in France If I am not
printing I'll take time to go to Paris and make you an alt trip from the
sfp to The Fresson atelier.

At 21:35 27/08/2008, you wrote:

      On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Chris Nze wrote:

            No judy these are the same  The SFP is
            afffiliated to the BNF  (so they are suported by
            the state) .