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Re: Gum Color Gamut & Beyond CMYK?


using more (apropriate) colors via additional separation(s) actually
increase the gamut. The reason why it may not be obvious is because at some
point, a more or less important part of the print gamut is outside the gamut
of your monitor's RGB color space and it's also possible that some screen
colors are still not printable. Also because of the gamut mapping that
occurs in color managed situation you may wind up with colors on your print
that you didn't see on the screen which I assume may be surprising.

I understand that for many gum printers, the challenge and possibly the fun
of it, is to be creative at printing time, what could be called the hand's
on approach. IMHO, using a color managed approach, where you know that what
you see is what you will get on your print, free's you from having to do
countless experiments to get something you like. Working on the screen image
is much easier again IMHO but this approach implies that you'll have to
print like a machine. I can easily understand why it's not the favorite


----- Original Message -----
From: "Katharine Thayer" <kthayer@pacifier.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: Gum Color Gamut & Beyond CMYK?

> See my page on tricolor gum printing
> http://www.pacifier.com/~kthayer/html/tricolor.html
> for a brief consideration of this topic (scroll down the page to the
> subheading, "Is it possible to reproduce the entire spectrum using
> three color layers?" )
> The answer, from Bruce McEvoy, is no,  you do need to add the
> secondary colors (in other words, in gum printing, use six layers
> including the secondary colors in addition to the primary colors, in
> order to produce accurate colors throughout the spectrum,  and I
> suppose some sort of  profiles as Jacek suggests might be the way to
> generate the color separations for the secondary colors.  But this
> seems to me an enormous effort and possibly a misplaced effort to
> boot; if you're looking for this kind of color precision, gum may not
> be the right process for you.  Not that I would discourage anyone
> from dedicating themselves to this kind of study if it appeals to
> them, just that for me and my house, I don't quite see the point.
> However, the purpose of the extra colors and separations, as I
> understand it,  is not to extend the gamut so much as to refine it.
> Depending on the pigments you choose as primaries, the layered color
> mixtures will produce different palettes of greens, oranges and
> purples; generally when printing tricolor we pick three primaries
> that give us the kind of secondary mixtures we want.  For example, I
> generally prefer ultramarine or prussian blue for tricolor because I
> don't like the greens that pthalo produces with almost any yellow,
> they look unnatural to me, and since I print a lot of landscapes with
> trees/leaves, I want a more natural looking palette in the greens.
> Adding the secondary colors to produce six layers will theoretically
> make it less necessary to pick and choose primary pigments to produce
> the kind of secondaries you want, because you can choose the
> secondaries to your liking.  But like I said, this seems a heck of a
> lot of work, when three colors, chosen carefully, will almost always
> give us a palette that  gives us a reasonable enough approximation of
> realistic color, with special attention to producing the secondaries
> that we're most interested in.
> Katharine
> On Sep 20, 2008, at 9:11 PM, Jacek Gonsalves wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Just continuing what Loris was talking about in regards with using
> > a predefined set of pigments and building a profile for Gum
> > printing. If one could build the profiles based on the CMYK
> > pigments, can we say that this holds a certain color gamut. Lets
> > say we want to increase the color gamut?
> >  There are other methods as Pantone Hexachrome method of 6 color
> > separations CMYKOG, adds orange and green separation. Adding these
> > additional separation would therefore increase the color gamut.
> > That is if the image you have includes those additional colors.
> > I'm sure there are methods to make additional separations in PS,
> > though it might be complicated? If someone knows how to do this
> > please chime in..
> > Though it excites me to think that one could increase the color
> > gamut from finding what pigments fall further than the usual inkjet
> > printers do these days.
> > Regards
> > Jacek
> >
> >
> >
> >