RE: list home decisions
PS: When I said I was going to offer hosting the list without charge, I didn't
mean hosting it with the dsoemarko.us account. I mean we can have a
alt-photo-process-list domain name, and I am willing to pay for it. At this
stage of life, the hosting fee is not very high to me.
I do know that if we ask for donation, many people will be willing to chip in,
and as mentioned in the email below, it can be just $1-2 per person per year.
:-)
Dave
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave S [mailto:fotodave@dsoemarko.us]
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:26 PM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: RE: list home decisions
>
>
> I was going to offer hosting the list without charge, but it
> seems like Gord has thought about it and prefer not to have
> such arrangement.
>
> As you noticed, I have a web hosting service (note my email
> address). The service is not that expensive. With the service
> we can setup a mailing list (like I can set up
> alt-photo-process-list@dsoemarko.us) in 2 minutes and the
> list will be up immediately. I think we don't want the list
> to be associated with any one individual, but what we can do
> it apply for a domain name (I even checked it,
> alt-photo-process-list.com or .org are available).
>
> If we use the company which I am using right now, the annual
> fee is only about $80 with the new domain name. If only 10
> people are willing to donate, the donation will be less than
> $10 per year. If we have 20 people, it will be less than $5.
> If we have "too many" donators, then it will be a hassle to
> deposit all those 25-cent checks. ;-)
>
> As I am quite familiar with this company who host my domain
> name, I can set one up easily. Perhaps I can then invite Gord
> and a few list minders to have control over the list so that
> it won't be tied to me alone.
>
> And we will have more than just a mailing list. We can have
> our web sites too.
> While we don't use web site much on this list, one
> possibility is to use it to host the images when we have
> traveling portfolio, for example.
>
> What do you guys think? I am not imposing anything. Just
> trying to offer some thing which I happen to be familiar
> already. Of course, if you don't want the list to be related
> to me at all, I can always just recommend the hosting service
> to Gord and he can set up a new account there (or else
> where). I have used this hosting service for many years and
> have no complain about it.
>
>
> Dave
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gordon J. Holtslander [mailto:gjh@shaw.ca]
> > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:19 PM
> > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> > Subject: Re: list home decisions
> >
> > Yikes
> >
> > All I'm after is whether people want to pursue a self-funded
> > autonomous organization. I think as little as $10.00 per year by a
> > significant number of people would provide plenty of funds.
> >
> > Hosting service cost between $20 to $100.00 per month depending on
> > there capabilities.
> >
> > I don't want the list swamped with details yet
> >
> > I just need to know if enough people will make the commitment.
> >
> > Please email me _privately_ if you would be willing to
> donate $10 to
> > $20 per year. Better ways of raising money will likely be
> available.
> >
> > If we get enough people willing to make a commitment we can
> then work
> > on the details...
> >
> > So again please email me _privately_ if you would be
> willing to donate
> > to a self-funded alt-photo service.
> >
> > Gord
> >
> > Gordon J. Holtslander wrote:
> > > Hello Everyone
> > >
> > > Thanks to all for their words of support - I'm humbled :) - spent
> > > yesterday helping out a fundraising charity I help every year ( I
> > > usually take a vacation day to do this - unnecessary this
> > year) - we
> > > brought in over $150,000 - I do the computer stuff :)
> > >
> > > Many list members have offered hosting solutions. While I
> > initially
> > > wanted to go with an academic instituion I no longer
> believe one of
> > > these will provide the long term stability we are after.
> Unless an
> > > art-culture based institution steps forward and makes a long term
> > > committment - but even then - organizations change their
> > priorities ...
> > >
> > > I think the best long term solution is to host the list on
> > a private
> > > hosting service. There would be a cost involved eventually
> > - a number
> > > of members have offered ( or have already) set up
> something. Some
> > > members have access to hosting services at no cost - these
> > can be used
> > > as well. I don't want the list to be dependent upon the
> > charity of an
> > > individual or organization in the long term.
> > >
> > > Making this list survive in the long term will involve
> > spending money
> > > - not likely a significant amount - but some. Independence
> > cost money ....
> > >
> > > I need to know whether list members would be willing to
> > donate money
> > > to the costs of hosting this list on a private server. I
> would not
> > > want to make joining the list contingent upon paying a fee
> > - but some
> > > list members would have to donate some money.
> > > Perhaps something as simple as an annual print draw -
> List members
> > > donate a few prints - list members ( or anyone for that
> matter) buy
> > > tickets. The money from ticket sales funds the list
> > hosting service.
> > > Could provide us with the ability to host a more
> > sophisticated service.
> > >
> > > Rather than picking and choosing from free services we
> could have a
> > > good text mailing list and a web based service to upload
> images and
> > > datafiles without worry of censorship, copyright or
> > interference from
> > > any other organization. - but it would cost money and
> take a great
> > > deal of organization.
> > >
> > > If something like this was set up the details of how and
> where the
> > > list is hosted could be managed by a few individuals -
> > without having
> > > to worry about a panicked move from one charitable
> > > institution/individual to another.
> > >
> > > If this is the case, the list could eventually if needed,
> form some
> > > sort of non-profit to insure its long-term survival.
> > >
> > > It all depends on what value this community holds for itself.
> > >
> > > If we don't want to pursue an independently self-funded
> > > organization/arrangement I will move the list to one of
> > the academic
> > > sites that seems to insure the longest service.
> > >
> > > Your thoughts please
> > >
> > > Gord
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gordon J. Holtslander
> > gjh@shaw.ca
> >
>
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