RE: list home decisions
PS: When I said I was going to offer hosting the list without charge, I didn't mean hosting it with the dsoemarko.us account. I mean we can have a alt-photo-process-list domain name, and I am willing to pay for it. At this stage of life, the hosting fee is not very high to me. I do know that if we ask for donation, many people will be willing to chip in, and as mentioned in the email below, it can be just $1-2 per person per year. :-) Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave S [mailto:fotodave@dsoemarko.us] > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:26 PM > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > Subject: RE: list home decisions > > > I was going to offer hosting the list without charge, but it > seems like Gord has thought about it and prefer not to have > such arrangement. > > As you noticed, I have a web hosting service (note my email > address). The service is not that expensive. With the service > we can setup a mailing list (like I can set up > alt-photo-process-list@dsoemarko.us) in 2 minutes and the > list will be up immediately. I think we don't want the list > to be associated with any one individual, but what we can do > it apply for a domain name (I even checked it, > alt-photo-process-list.com or .org are available). > > If we use the company which I am using right now, the annual > fee is only about $80 with the new domain name. If only 10 > people are willing to donate, the donation will be less than > $10 per year. If we have 20 people, it will be less than $5. > If we have "too many" donators, then it will be a hassle to > deposit all those 25-cent checks. ;-) > > As I am quite familiar with this company who host my domain > name, I can set one up easily. Perhaps I can then invite Gord > and a few list minders to have control over the list so that > it won't be tied to me alone. > > And we will have more than just a mailing list. We can have > our web sites too. > While we don't use web site much on this list, one > possibility is to use it to host the images when we have > traveling portfolio, for example. > > What do you guys think? I am not imposing anything. Just > trying to offer some thing which I happen to be familiar > already. Of course, if you don't want the list to be related > to me at all, I can always just recommend the hosting service > to Gord and he can set up a new account there (or else > where). I have used this hosting service for many years and > have no complain about it. > > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gordon J. Holtslander [mailto:gjh@shaw.ca] > > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:19 PM > > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > > Subject: Re: list home decisions > > > > Yikes > > > > All I'm after is whether people want to pursue a self-funded > > autonomous organization. I think as little as $10.00 per year by a > > significant number of people would provide plenty of funds. > > > > Hosting service cost between $20 to $100.00 per month depending on > > there capabilities. > > > > I don't want the list swamped with details yet > > > > I just need to know if enough people will make the commitment. > > > > Please email me _privately_ if you would be willing to > donate $10 to > > $20 per year. Better ways of raising money will likely be > available. > > > > If we get enough people willing to make a commitment we can > then work > > on the details... > > > > So again please email me _privately_ if you would be > willing to donate > > to a self-funded alt-photo service. > > > > Gord > > > > Gordon J. Holtslander wrote: > > > Hello Everyone > > > > > > Thanks to all for their words of support - I'm humbled :) - spent > > > yesterday helping out a fundraising charity I help every year ( I > > > usually take a vacation day to do this - unnecessary this > > year) - we > > > brought in over $150,000 - I do the computer stuff :) > > > > > > Many list members have offered hosting solutions. While I > > initially > > > wanted to go with an academic instituion I no longer > believe one of > > > these will provide the long term stability we are after. > Unless an > > > art-culture based institution steps forward and makes a long term > > > committment - but even then - organizations change their > > priorities ... > > > > > > I think the best long term solution is to host the list on > > a private > > > hosting service. There would be a cost involved eventually > > - a number > > > of members have offered ( or have already) set up > something. Some > > > members have access to hosting services at no cost - these > > can be used > > > as well. I don't want the list to be dependent upon the > > charity of an > > > individual or organization in the long term. > > > > > > Making this list survive in the long term will involve > > spending money > > > - not likely a significant amount - but some. Independence > > cost money .... > > > > > > I need to know whether list members would be willing to > > donate money > > > to the costs of hosting this list on a private server. I > would not > > > want to make joining the list contingent upon paying a fee > > - but some > > > list members would have to donate some money. > > > Perhaps something as simple as an annual print draw - > List members > > > donate a few prints - list members ( or anyone for that > matter) buy > > > tickets. The money from ticket sales funds the list > > hosting service. > > > Could provide us with the ability to host a more > > sophisticated service. > > > > > > Rather than picking and choosing from free services we > could have a > > > good text mailing list and a web based service to upload > images and > > > datafiles without worry of censorship, copyright or > > interference from > > > any other organization. - but it would cost money and > take a great > > > deal of organization. > > > > > > If something like this was set up the details of how and > where the > > > list is hosted could be managed by a few individuals - > > without having > > > to worry about a panicked move from one charitable > > > institution/individual to another. > > > > > > If this is the case, the list could eventually if needed, > form some > > > sort of non-profit to insure its long-term survival. > > > > > > It all depends on what value this community holds for itself. > > > > > > If we don't want to pursue an independently self-funded > > > organization/arrangement I will move the list to one of > > the academic > > > sites that seems to insure the longest service. > > > > > > Your thoughts please > > > > > > Gord > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gordon J. Holtslander > > gjh@shaw.ca > > > > >
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