From: Christopher Lovenguth (zantzant@hotmail.com)
Date: 08/19/02-12:10:02 PM Z
First, I said for this argument on this list there seems to be two camps.
Second, I said it was an overly simple labels just for the points I was
trying to make.
Third, I can take a roll of film put it in a camera and not think and snap
away. If I do it long enough there will be at some point an image that
represents the use of craft. Unless you are getting so specific with the
idea of thinking, I guess you can argue that you have to think to put in
roll of film, go outside and push a button. And if you think people are
always thinking while taking images, you haven't looked around on photo.net.
Lastly, are you calling non-artist monkeys? There is a huge difference with
my example and yours. Craft is a learning process. Give people the resources
and time they will become very competent. Thinking and originality however,
can not be taught nor will time and resources give you an idea no matter how
much Platinum or Van Dyke you throw at it or how well you print. -Chris
>From: Carl Weese <cweese@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: cweese@earthlink.net
>To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
>Subject: Re: What Postmodernism Means, etc.,etc.,etc.
>Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:25:48 +0100
>
>
>
>Christopher Lovenguth wrote:
> >
> It is much
> > more important to the art movement as a whole that people think then it
>is
> > for objects to be made well (if at all).
>
>Christopher,
>
>What art movement as a whole? I'm not aware of this entity.
>
>Let's leave aside for a moment what's "important" and consider instead
>what's possible. You can't make an object without thinking. You can
>think without making an object. Thinking is important. But thinking
>about making art while doing it is redundant self-conciousness: if
>you're making art you're thinking already. Thinking about thinking about
>making art is called writer's block.
>
>The hypothetical of folks snapping away at a pepper long enough to come
>up with a Weston is no more convincing than the old roomful of monkeys
>at typewriters composing Hamlet.
>
>Someone once said the world is divided into two groups, people who
>divide everything into two groups, and people who don't. I don't think
>the two camps you've posited describe a real state of affairs, and I
>doubt much art of any value is produced by people who are concerned with
>what camp or group they belong in. It takes time and energy away from
>doing the art.
>
>I do agree that it's best left up to historians and curators of the
>future to define what movements were instead of worrying about what they
>are: artists are better off spending the present doing their work, and
>even thinking about it.
>
>---Carl
>
>
>--
>Web Site with picture galleries and workshop information
>http://home.earthlink.net/~cweese/index.html
>
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