From: Jeff Buck (jeffbuck@swcp.com)
Date: 12/14/02-06:38:49 PM Z
Keith: Thank you for this information. I'm emboldened to try
again. -jeff buckels
At 04:20 PM 12/14/2002 -0700, Keith Schreiber wrote:
>Jeff, Clay, Jack, et al,
>
>I am responsible for most of the paper chapter in the Arentz book, so maybe
>I can clear up some details regarding "gampi" paper. Names of Japanese
>papers can be very confusing since there seems to be little consistency from
>vendor to vendor. For the testing that I did for the Arentz book, I obtained
>samples of "Gampi" from Daniel Smith and "Gampi Torinoko" from New York
>Central. From the catalog descriptions (20x30", 96gsm) I guessed that they
>were the same paper and that proved to be the case. I got samples of both
>colors (nicely described by Jeff below) from both vendors. In all cases I
>found the paper to have good wet strength. I obtained the best results using
>an addition of 1 drop of 20% Tween 20 per 2ml of coating solution. Image
>quality was every bit equal to the best results I've seen on any other
>paper. I usually print pure Pd but found Pt/Pd 1:1 to work well too. Due to
>its expense I haven't done much work with it beyond the tests and a handfull
>of other prints.
>
>I have noticed that Gampi is no longer listed in the Daniel Smith catalog.
>
>The Kinsella (www.kinsellaartpapers.com/PriceList/oct2001.pdf) listing
>(22x30", 96gsm) may or may not be the same paper. The weight is the same,
>but the size is different.
>
>At Hiromi (www.hiromipaper.com/), I think the best bet would be HP-71 Gampi
>Torinoko White.
>
>Finally, a couple of suggestions for handling fragile papers:
>1. Use fiberglass window screen a bit larger than the paper to transfer from
>one bath to the next.
>2. Instead of moving the paper from tray to tray, keep the print in one tray
>and dump and fill from beakers or buckets if you are working large.
>
>Regards,
>Keith
>
>J Keith Schreiber
>www.jkschreiber.com
>jkschreiber@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>jeffbuck@swcp.com wrote:
> > Clay: The "Gampi" I got from Kinsella looked really attractive dry
> > and unused. There was a white, kind of opalescent, variety and some
> > stuff roughly the color of grocery bags (a nice color). Pretty
> > expensive. The surface of the paper showed a VERY apparent and
> > random-ish structure of the plant filaments (or whatever you call
> > it). Thickish stuff. As for wet processing, the surface seemed to
> > decompose somewhat in the middle (causing various unsightly
> > blemishes) and pretty much came to pieces around the edges. The paper
> > dried to a very attractive parchment-type look in either color. Image
> > quality was atrocious, no matter what I tried (tween, grain alcohol
> > -- which perhaps I should have taken internally, maybe I
> > misunderstood the directions -- you name it). Real uneven, streaky,
> > grainy, splotchy -- awful. A shame, because you could tell, even with
> > all the problems, that the paper gave good, smooth tonal gradation.
> > If somebody has found a "Gampi" paper that holds up in
> > wet-processing, coats worth a hoot, etc., I'd love to try again.
> > -JB
> >
> >
> > Clay <wcharmon@wt.net> said:
> >
> >> Jack:
> >>
> >> Which Gampi did you use? They have a whole boatload listed on their
> >> website. The Gampi I tried from Daniel Smith had about the same wet
> >> strength as toilet paper.
> >>
> >> Clay
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jack Fulton" <jefulton1@attbi.com>
> >> To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:40 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Japanese papers
> >>
> >>
> >>> There is paper called Gampi with tremendous wet strength but is
> >>> still very thin with a slight crinkled surface not unlike a fine
> >>> parchment. You can print quality VDB and cyano imagery on it. When
> >>> dried there is a good similarity to onion skin.
> >>> This paper can be purchased at:
> >>> website: www.hiromipaper.com
> >>> (310) 998-0098 they are in LA
> >>> Hiromi Katayama
> >>> 2525 Michigan Avenue Bergamot Station Art Center,
> >>> G-9 Santa Monica, CA 90404
> >>>
> >>>>> Has anyone done any printing on Japanese paper or tissue? A
> >>>>> friend of mine works in a Japanese store here
> >>>>> in Toronto and feels it would do well ... I mostly do Cyanotypes
> >>>>> right now.
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