DENNIS@klink47.freeserve.co.uk
Date: 02/09/02-11:24:30 AM Z
Hello John and Pete You are correct Pete it was invented by Shepherd and
Foster Renwick(Who Invented Multigrade Paper} in 1930 and was introduced
commercially by Wellington & Ward who were swallowed up by Ilford Ltd the
same year.As you mention Pete the main difference from Bromoil is that the
Matrix was inked up dry with a roller leaving an overall grey ink deposit on
the paper,it was then placed in a water bath and a Rubber roller "Developed
the print under water".In the UK as you mentioned John,Kirk Toft has been
using this process and demonstating it to camera clubs in the Yorkshire
area of the UK.for a number of years, Kirk is not on this list but he is a
member of the Bromoil Circle of Great Britain and is a member of the
International Society Of Bromoilists and subscribes to Gene Laughers Bromoil
List .If you think the bromoil process has come as far as it can you should
see some of the bromoil transfers that Gene has been doing on
alternative substrates to paper ie platerboard and Muslin.For further
information on Olebrom see History and Practice of Oil and Bromoil Printing
by Luis Nadeau and Bromoil and Transfer by Leonard Gabriel Pitman/Greenwood
1930 And in the next issue of Post Factory there is an article on
Olebrom by Joe Besse who is also a member of ISOB
Hope this helps John
Dennis Klinker----- Original Message -----
From: "pete" <temperaprint@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Oleobrom
> on 9/2/02 11:19 am, Grafist@aol.com at Grafist@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Dear All, I have recently heard of a process called "Oleobrom". I
understand
> > there is an English guy who has worked very much with this process named
Kirk
> > Toft.
> > Is he on this list? I am sure he would prove to be a valuable fund of
> > information for anyone researching photo graphic picture making systems.
A
> > search of my old books has not revealed any info on this
process....whether
> > it is a version of Bromoil or a Pigment process, or what.
> > As some may already be aware, my own field of interest is Direct Carbon
(
> > NOT Carbon Transfer) which is entirely different. One wonders if there
are
> > any similarities between Oleobrom and Direct Carbon. This might make a
change
> > from the long drawn out haggling over Gum details which seems to be
> > degenerating into ***????$$$$$$.
> > CHEERS John Grocott- Photographist
>
> Hello John,
>
> Yes it would make a nice change from gum details. OK here is some info I
> have.
> In the BJP of 7th Nov 1930 p.676 the process is said to be invented by
F.J.
> Shepherd and F.F.Renwick and is described as -oleobrome- a new and
> completely altered bromoil process it had been developed by Ilford Ltd. It
> differed from the normal bromoil process in that it used a soft rubber
> roller and hard gelatine coated photographic paper. The print was inked in
a
> tray underwater. However it did not last long, and seemed to have
> disappeared round about 1935 the year I was born! I think the point is it
> was a mechanical adaptation of the normal hand crafted bromoil technique
> that up to that time had used brushes.
>
> Best wishes John
>
> Pete
>
> PS. Our mutual friend Dennis Klinker should Know all about it being a
> bibliophile superior in these matters.
>
>
> Best wishes John
>
> Pete
>
> PS Our mutual friend Dennis Klinker should Know all about it being a
> bibliophile superior
>
>
>
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