From: Sandy King (sanking@clemson.edu)
Date: 03/05/03-08:55:43 AM Z
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Sandy King
>DEAR GREG,
> I agree with you completely that only if we can SEE history can we learn
>from it and not repeat it. So I agree that the images should not be
>"classified". I was only commenting on the insane context of war, its
>"math", and the horrific necessities and decisions it forces on people.
> I never cease to be amazed at what rabid militarists in a society can do
>to otherwise amazing cultures. Japanese art and aesthetics are some of the
>most beautiful in the world but when the militarists took over the Diet
>(sp?) they assassinated those who wanted peace and planned Pearl Harbor.
>Germany and Austria, filled with an intelligent, interesting, and creative
>people, home of some of the world's greatest composers (and damned good
>cars), lead by a madman and his goons, leave the Holocaust as their legacy.
> I am not judging the societies. You are right in that every citizen of
>any country needs to know what its government is doing and then let the
>government know if they agree or not. Censorship is a sure way to
>circumvent this.
> CHEERS!
> BOB
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Greg Schmitz" <gws1@columbia.edu>
>To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:30 AM
>Subject: Re: A little OT context; was One Bomb
>
>
>>
>> Yes, but what do the numbers of dead in Germany or of an invasion that
>> never happened have to to with the U.S. Government censorship of both
>> motion picture and still film footage of the effects of our use of
>> radioactive bombs? The pictures are still, as far as I know,
>> "classified" by D.O.D. and D.O.E. Barnouw, whom I mentioned in a
>> previous post contended that our Government did not want us to see
>> what the effect of those 2 bombs were on the people who survived (even
>> if they only lived for a short while). We should not be allowed to
>> glimpse inside the "gates of hell," I can only presume that the
>> government is doing this propaganda (aka "public relation) purposes.
>>
>> -greg schmitz <gws1@columbia.edu>
>>
>> > Even counting those that died of radiation poisoning later, the
>total
>> > dead in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were fewer than 250,000...ONE TENTH of
>the
>> > estimated deaths from a conventional attack. Insane math? Sure! But
>then,
>> > as I said, if you don't want hell, don't open the gates!
>> >
>>
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