Re: Mr. Suzuki's posts

Okay . . . I'll go along Judy w/your thoughts. I dumped the posts and went
on my way to things pertinent. Every once in a while there is a person who
comes on the list and posts and incredible amount of stuff/info/BS,
whatever. I see it as a squall and only if I view it as worthwhile do I
fully need to read it. Perhaps I am a bit glib here but, boy, do I ever run
into a lot of turkeys these days.
Cheers to ALL
Jack

> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, jfulton wrote:
>
>> Hey, whoa, this is getting out of hand and you all know it's better to have
>> one in the hand rather than two in the bush. Ryuji has posted informative
>> info. Those of us who're adults oughta be able to 'filter' what is needed.
>
> Frankly, Jack, I think you're wrong here. Invariably, when someone dares
> disagree with Ryuji they get a verbal whipping... and soon stop
> disagreeing. Even, I am told, have left the list. Thus by default we
> must now assume all his pronouncements correct... or are let stand by
> "adults" who don't want to be abused. But for all the razzle dazzle of his
> specialty knowledge, I become dubious about ANYTHING from someone who can
> misread my own simple statements in reasonably plain English as grossly as
> he has.
>
> And do not kid yourself that only "children" are angry. Perhaps fearing
> Suzuki's wrath, or even yours, a lot of strong feelings with accompanying
> adjectives & nouns have been expressed to me, and I understand, to others
> offlist.... Besides the information, we're also here for pleasure. This
> spoils the pleasure for many (tho possibly not for sadists).
>
> Which is to say, to criticize those who object and tell them to, as it
> were, "grow up," does the list AND information no service. Meanwhile, I
> myself am not inclined to filter out reversal of my meaning, dismissal and
> scorn for my corrections, and insults for my protests. As, for instance,
> today:
>
> "... thank you very much for telling me that this list was your
> friends club not a place to exchange information. Had I known it
> better that anything other than what's plesant to your ear is
> considered rudeness, I could do things in a different way..."
>
> What about my protest said that "this list was my friends' club " I have
> no idea, nor did the surrounding comments suggest that... "Exchange of
> information" obviously, but information couched in insults is much less
> effective than if delivered civilly, although indeed some parents adopt
> that tone with children, and one does find echoes of this in Ryuki's words
> and tone. Whatever the first cause, I think this nastiness qualifies as
> unacceptable under the rules of the list (we are NOT his children) and
> defending it is not constructive.
>
> I believe you err equally in glossing over this warning:
>
> "On the slvergrain list, his percieved attitude has virtually shut down
> all posting. There were four posts there last month, two of them from Mr.
> Suzuki himself."
>
> On the bright side, Ryuji did say he "could do it in a different way."
> Let me suggest you encourage that, rather than chide the folks observing
> the need.
>
> cheers,
>
> Judy
Received on Tue Nov 4 00:02:58 2003