From: Kate Mahoney (kateb@paradise.net.nz)
Date: 10/12/03-03:34:47 PM Z
so it's the bananas, eh?
:)
Kate
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From: Ender100@aol.com
To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Neo-Pictorialism, sally mann
I just can't help jumping in here too....
OK, Kate, Stop including banannas in all your photos and other people will stop finding them erotic!
Just kidding.
On the other hand, I think context of culture, time, place, family & community values, personal values and experience, composition, the laws of your country/state etc. etc. all contribute to how people react to the photographs we are talking about. Listmembers have talked about a variety of work by different photographers that may in some people's minds differ in merit based on a lot of the above.
I think it might help at times to put the words "I personally feel...." in front of some statements regarding other people's work rather than making pronouncements regarding the content or motivations of the photographers in question. When someone makes a judgement call and states it in a manner as if it were the commonly accepted position of everyone, including the gods, our Founding Fathers, the Pope, the critics, the Three Stooges, the F-64 group, the Pictorialists, and the United Nations, then it is difficult for me to read beyond that and hear their argument.
With regards to "informed consent", I am not an attorney, but I do believe that by definition, a minor (the definition of a minor may vary from state to state) cannot give informed consent—the idea being that they are not old enough to understand the issues. I think one of the important issues related to this is how this is enacted in the law may vary from state to state. Be it urban legend or not, wasn't a couple turned in to the police by Wallmart employees a few years back for taking photographs of their newborn baby sans clothes? Sam, did that happen in South Carolina? Anyway, I'm a little confused if Baird/Buck are not saying essentially the same thing, sorta, maybe.
Mark Nelson
"Rush Limbaugh admitting that he has been addicted to pain killers explains how he could listen to himself talk all these years. Hopefully he will be treated successfully for this addiction. After all, aren't Liberals just Conservatives who have successfully undergone treatment?"—Garrison Keillor
In a message dated 10/12/03 3:52:00 PM, kateb@paradise.net.nz writes:
BTW, I'm not against nudity of any description though I draw the line at
"erotica" as far as my work goes - it's a matter of taste to me, I feel that
the coyness of most "erotica" is about as far from the type of work I'd like
to make as it could get. and, despite all this, some people find my work
erotic!!!!!!! Dang we just can't escape other people's opinions of our work,
no matter how hard we try.
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