RE: Sodium chloropalladite and Ziatype

OK, thanks Tony.

So far, so good. Sounds somewhat of an uncharted territory, thus a
perfect excuse for failure, if that's the results. I'm ok with that,
but if it suceeds, I'll credit you with as "technical advisor." I was
hoping to cool down the image with the lithium, but I can always add
gold.

It would appear that Marek has ventured into this process, but had
some success by adding the Lith Chloride at a 50% solution. I'll have
to try both, eh?

cheers X2

Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony McLean [mailto:tony.mclean@spamcop.net]
Sent: Fri 1/16/2004 11:20 AM
To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Sodium chloropalladite and Ziatype
 
Darryl

What I suspect you purchased from B&S is sodium tetrachloropalladadite

which is the double salt of palladium formed by the addition of common

salt (sodium chloride) to palladium chloride.

Adding additional lithium chloride to this double salt will not make
the lithium salt of palladium and will be a total waste of time (and
good palladium)

My recommendation is to try the print-out technique using your
existing
sodium tetrachloropalladite and ferric ammonium oxalate. I suspect
that you will achieve a result of sorts but not exactly the same as
using the lithium salt. If you are unhappy with the result then
either
purchase some more palladium chloride and add the lithium chloride to
it or forget the whole thing and use the traditional recipe for
platinum palladium printing. I find it far superior and much more
consistent and I suspect that most other Pt/Pd printers would agree?

Cheers ... Tony McLean

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tony.mclean
On 16 Jan 2004, at 15:46, mmatusz@pdq.net wrote:

> Darryl,
> I have done Ziatypes with Na2PdCl4 solution (that is the only
palladiun
> salt I am using) with the addition of LiCl. I have a bottle of 50%
> lithium
> chloride. One to two drops of this solution for a 4x5 prints should
> do. My
> ziatypes typically contain some gold to get the beautiful cool
blacks.
> THe
> key in Ziatype is high humidity, It would be perfect for a day like
> today
> in Houston, 75% humidity. I have to confess that I never moved
beyond
> 4x5
> with Ziatypes, My successs ration was not that good. I have some
great
> prints and lot and lots of bad prints. I am printing palladium with
gum
> over to change the tone of the print.
> YOU can see some of my Ziatypes here
> http://www.alternativephotography.com/marek_matusz.html
> Good luck and let us know.
> Marek
>
>> I need some guidance/advise.
>>
>> I purchased a time ago a 100ml of sodium chloropalladite, Solution
#3
>> for traditional palladium printing. I'd rather make ziatypes of
>> possible, but doubt that I can use this due to the sodium component
in
>> this mixture. Is it possible to add lithium chloride at this point
or
>> do I need to punt and take the loss? Any reasonable suggestions
>> appreciated. By reasonable I mean nothing worse than selling this
>> solution and buying the Lithium/Palladium mix from B&S. I already
kow
>> I could do this.
>>
>> As an alternative, could I use this solution for any type of
toning?
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Darryl Baird
>>
>