Re: Off-Topic, New Orleans Images

Right on man. There's more than a few people on this list who should be
called on the carpet and exposed as the "f***ing bitches" that they really
are.

Gerry, I don't agree with everything you had to say about Dan's images of
New Orleans devastation, but I respect your opinion and more importantly, I
respect the fact that you STAYED ON TOPIC and talked about photography.

Dan's pictures are clearly :"alt-photography". That's not straight
photography as far as I can tell.

In my response to Dan's posting, I questioned how Dan made these photos and
chided Dan for interjecting politics onto a photography list.

Dan's response to me (via private email) never did answer the question of
how the photos were made... my primary interest. Rather, Dan chose to
scribe a ridiculous political rant. So typical. What about this list
attracts and encourages political wackos?

Gerry, you're absolutely correct, this list is indeed "wide open territory"
and anything goes. When a deranged and sick old woman can continually post
hostile and vindictive ad-hominem attacks without censure for years and
years, you know that any pretense of civility and decorum has been long
abandoned.

"List Minders" are you reading this?

Best regards,
Dave in Wyoming

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Giliberti" <GGILIBERTI@controlotron.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: Off-Topic, New Orleans Images

Hmmm. I took a while to respond to all this hate mail. First off I like this
list a lot and have learned so much from it--Christine, I respect you and
your work tremendously and you can bit my nect any time -I’m still trying to
get my POP times and toning consistent. So I apologize to the list for
creating such a problem. But in my neighborhood we have people from that
disaster. I’ve seen the reaction up close to this type of pictorial
reproduction and it’s not easy thing--the whole family breaks down. The
photos only reinforce the fact that they only have strangers, prayer and
maybe a few relatives to help them with their homelessness. So maybe I’ve
been too close to it lately and over reacted. As far as the list goes, those
few of you who I’ve shown next to (Dan included) or who have been in group
shows that I’ve curated know I never restrict imagery. My impression was
this list had rules so I followed them. Off list should be off list. Why
even say it? I never used bad language or intentionally defamed anyone on
this list. But I don’t want the list to change or have anyone intervene to
change it--especially now. Now I understand the parameters.

That said, to quote Judy Seigel’s thread about the list and her response to
Dave:

“You of course have the right to your opinion. It is (or used to be) a "free
country." But you do not, as far as I know, have the authority to make the
list, the country, the world, or even your immediate neighbors watch every
word they say for fear of your wrath.”

Well then I guess from reading that and the other responses on this list
that it is indeed wide-open territory: photography, politics, whatever,
whatever. I’m OK with that. Now I know. But there are those I won’t
apologize to. Particular that f***ng bitch Pam Niedemayer who purposely
insulted me out of ignorant hate. Pam, go f*** yourself, if you haven’t been
doing that on a daily basis already.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pam Niedermayer [mailto:pam@pinehill.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:04 PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: Off-Topic, New Orleans Images

Oooh, little bully wants to kick the girl around and then take his balls
and go home. Shock and awe, Gerry. You alone made this an issue.

Pam

Gerry Giliberti wrote:

>Look, rather make this an issue I believe that this was off topic and
>shouldn't have been put on the list. It's that simple. Anyone who disputes
>this as a personal issue with me, Pam, can meet me after school at the flag
>pole at 3 o'clock and we'll settle it there. That's it. I think the person
>managing the list should get involved now and make a decision. I'm done
with
>it.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Pam Niedermayer [mailto:pam@pinehill.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:19 AM
>To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>Subject: Re: Off-Topic, New Orleans Images
>
>
>What? Now you're taking it on yourself to attribute motivation? Not that
>I think motivation matters all that much, all we as photograpers have
>are the images. Do the images themselves offend you? If you were in New
>Orleans wouldn't you take photos?
>
>Pam
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>Gerry Giliberti wrote:
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>>Well Mark there are photographers who dedicate their lives to this
>>type of humanitarian work like Salgato. If that were the same in this
>>case I'd agree with you. I think our collective consciousness has been
>>raised significantly with this disaster already. Sorry I just don't
>>buy it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* Ender100@aol.com [mailto:Ender100@aol.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2006 6:04 PM
>> *To:* alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>> *Subject:* Re: Off-Topic, New Orleans Images
>>
>> Gerry,
>>
>> I don't know that Dan mentioned anything about offering the images
>> for sale, but I think he has a right to show his work, just as you
>> have a right not to look at it, and even not like it.
>>
>> Not long ago I saw an incredible exhibit of war photographs by
>> James Nachtway—oddly enough, in spite of the subject matter, there
>> was an eery beauty to many of the photographs and in some cases
>> such irony that the images were very powerful—I am glad I saw them
>> and I am glad Mr. Nachtway was there to photograph the scenes. I
>> think it would have been a loss to humanity had he not done so.
>> Do I think he was taking advantage of the pain and suffering of
>> others? No, I think he was trying to raise our level of
>> consciousness regarding the horrible outcome of war—any war.
>>
>> Also, remember that some photographers might use any income from
>> such images to help the victims.
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>> Mark Nelson
>> Precision Digital Negatives--The Book
>> <http://www.precisiondigitalnegatives.com/>
>> PDNPrint Forum at Yahoo Groups
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PDNPrint/>
>> www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com <http://www.markinelsonphoto.com/>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 4/24/06 4:41:27 PM, GGILIBERTI@controlotron.com
>> writes:
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>>> I'd have to say this is way off topic. The HDR thing is intesting
>>> but to
>>> make images of devestation and then eventually sell these images
>>> in an
>>> exhibition is just vampirism for me. Sorry list. I'm not with
>>> this at all.
>>> Keep this stuff to yourself.
>>>
>>> Gerry G
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Received on Wed Apr 26 22:33:54 2006