Re: Off-Topic, New Orleans Images

Hi, Just like to chime in.

  I agree that there are the usual flare ups but these things do happen
sometimes, nor much is happening on the list, people will go off on an
interesting OT for a while. You with it.

But this was different. This was vicious. Calling somebody a "Bitch" or
   "King Bitch" and last but not least, ...busy kissing Judy Seigel's
wide ass" (sorry Judy), this is no longer good natured poking fun at
somebody. It is vicious and sexist. And the treat of violence against
somebody who disagrees with you. That's intimidation. I think, that at
that point, the line has been crossed.

Photographing T-shirts that have profanities or political/relgious
comments on them falls under the general heading of photojournalism.
You are being shown what is out there in the world. You may not agree
with the messages, but that is your choice. But this was different.
Members where being viciously attacked and intimidation was used. That
is unacceptable. It precludes all possibility of free speech and isn't
that what Democracy is about.

Two summers ago, I was in California and went to Sproul Hall at the U of
  C in Berkeley anD stood on the same steps where Mario Savio gave his
"Free Speech Movement" speech. For me it was a pilgrimage. Free
speech has to be practiced. It is not an abstract concept. And it is
not a given, you have to "fight" for it.

My two loonies worth.
I'm Canadian, and we have a different take on things. Like Democracy.

Best regards,
Bogdan

Greg Schmitz wrote:

>
> Maybe we should all move to the letpress list. There are no
> listminders and the flare-ups, which occur from time to time, can get
> viscous (personal). But battles are generally regarded by the list as
> the way things often are in the real workplace (the print shop). NTL
> lots of useful information gets transmitted on the letpress list and
> the general air - even between those who take jabs at each other from
> time to time is far more social than on alt-photo. Perhaps
> photographers, esp. process junkies spend too much time alone - dunno?
> We all live (most of us anyway) in a political world and that is, at
> least in part, makes us who we are. What I get paid, the nature of
> the copyright laws, what I'm told I can or can't take pictures of and
> how I "see," interpret, and present the world around me all come from
> my political surroundings and beliefs. Perhaps, though I doubt it, in
> a "perfect world" there would be no flare-ups here. I for one enjoy
> the heat around here once in a while.
>
>
> -greg schmitz
>
>

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   Bogdan Karasek
   Montral, Qubec            e-mail: bkarasek@videotron.ca
   Canada
                   "I photograph my reality"
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