Re: How old are we? ***VERY*** OLD !!

Judy,

Although we have not always agreed I think you area a fabulous
person. And more beautiful, interesting and intriguing in real life
than on the list! I only spent a few hours with you, many years ago
in NY, but the experience is one I treasure.

I understand your frustration in the present situation, but you are
not alone. Just look at recent comments by Don, Mark Nelson and me
with regard to the present situation. You have folks here, many, who
agree with you and are on your side.

But I think KT is right about how disruptive this kind of discord can
become. Basically, I hope we are here to engage in a friendly
exchange of information about alt processes.

BTW, Gord is on vacation this week. Any comments you want to make
about the list, please send directly to me at sanking@clemson.edu. I
will file them and send the comments to Gord after he returns home.

Best,

And Happy Printing to you, and everyone else on the list

Sandy

>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Katharine Thayer wrote:
>
>>The last time Judy told us about how good it is for the list for
>>people (her side, not the other side) to just indulge themselves in
>>telling everyone what they think (about U.S. politics it was, that
>>time) and how much better it makes "everyone" feel to do that, we
>>lost at least two good people. We lost
>
>This is as bad a distortion as I've seen on the list, a parody of
>what I may have said... in fact a classic example of twist and smear.
>
>>Dave Rose because he just utterly, totally, lost it and had to be
>>removed from the list. I wish he had been able to keep his cool;
>>I miss him. And I'm afraid we also lost someone else. I've been
>>listening and listening for
>
>Dave Rose consistently replied to general, casual, "by the way"
>impersonal comments with vile furious, rabid, personal attacks, and
>much as I doubt stating the reality will reach you, I state that for
>the record. If he had only done that once, I think it would have
>been overlooked -- by everyone, but it was a pattern.
>
>I don't know what his personal demons were... but they were
>longstanding. And the last one, which didn't just slam Judy but
>OTHERS, too, put him over the top.
>
>I note here, for instance, that when I wrote, in passing, in my
>"View from 1.7 miles," report made 1.7 miles from ground zero when I
>regained connectivity and got back on the list after 9/11, something
>about our gas guzzlers having financed Al Queda, which surely
>everyone understands by now, even maybe the honorable Veep, Dave hit
>the fan, with personal accusations of lack of patriotism, and a
>lecture to me (from Wyoming) on bing a "good" american.
>
>Nor did I mean or even say the other twittishness attributed to me.
>
>Having put these basics on record (again), I will not revisit this issue.
>
>J.
>
>
>>his voice, and I don't think I've heard it since then. He spoke up
>>and said that the political comments were making him feel unwelcome
>>here, as someone who, like Dave, has a different political view
>>than those who were indulging themselves by expressing their
>>political opinions. He was shouted down, very rudely as I recall.
>>He was a longtime member of the list, and a valuable one. No, I'm
>>sorry, I just can't agree with this idea that the list heals itself
>>by the exertion of "social pressure;" or by any airing of personal
>>pique and self-indulgence. That's certainly never been my
>>experience, in fact quite the opposite. My 2cents,
>>Katharine.
Received on 07/28/06-04:46:03 PM Z