Re: How old are we? ***VERY*** OLD !!

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Katharine Thayer wrote:

> The last time Judy told us about how good it is for the list for people (her
> side, not the other side) to just indulge themselves in telling everyone what
> they think (about U.S. politics it was, that time) and how much better it
> makes "everyone" feel to do that, we lost at least two good people. We lost

This is as bad a distortion as I've seen on the list, a parody of what I
may have said... in fact a classic example of twist and smear.

> Dave Rose because he just utterly, totally, lost it and had to be removed
> from the list. I wish he had been able to keep his cool; I miss him. And
> I'm afraid we also lost someone else. I've been listening and listening for

Dave Rose consistently replied to general, casual, "by the way" impersonal
comments with vile furious, rabid, personal attacks, and much as I doubt
stating the reality will reach you, I state that for the record. If he had
only done that once, I think it would have been overlooked -- by everyone,
but it was a pattern.

I don't know what his personal demons were... but they were longstanding.
And the last one, which didn't just slam Judy but OTHERS, too, put him
over the top.

I note here, for instance, that when I wrote, in passing, in my "View from
1.7 miles," report made 1.7 miles from ground zero when I regained
connectivity and got back on the list after 9/11, something about our gas
guzzlers having financed Al Queda, which surely everyone understands by
now, even maybe the honorable Veep, Dave hit the fan, with personal
accusations of lack of patriotism, and a lecture to me (from Wyoming) on
bing a "good" american.

Nor did I mean or even say the other twittishness attributed to me.

Having put these basics on record (again), I will not revisit this issue.

J.

> his voice, and I don't think I've heard it since then. He spoke up and said
> that the political comments were making him feel unwelcome here, as someone
> who, like Dave, has a different political view than those who were indulging
> themselves by expressing their political opinions. He was shouted down, very
> rudely as I recall. He was a longtime member of the list, and a valuable
> one. No, I'm sorry, I just can't agree with this idea that the list heals
> itself by the exertion of "social pressure;" or by any airing of personal
> pique and self-indulgence. That's certainly never been my experience, in fact
> quite the opposite. My 2cents,
> Katharine.
Received on 07/28/06-03:45:35 PM Z