RE: math question verrrrrry off topic
Chris, I think what you do is right/good. I think that is especially true with arts classes. With engineering class, say a calculus class, if you are learning how to take a derivative, it does not matter whether you learn it by reading yourself, by asking your friend to teach you, or by listening to your professor. You end up the same, so if the student can learn it himself, fine with me. But in arts class, there are many things that students gain by attending classes, listening to the teachers, looking at others works (other artists or even fellow students), engaging in discussions, listening to critiques, etc. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Christina Z. Anderson [mailto:zphoto@montana.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:29 AM > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > Subject: Re: math question verrrrrry off topic > > The one I hate, and now say at every start up class, is the > student that > **emails** me and says, "Hey I missed class today, can you > email me back what you talked about?" I told them I will NOT > digest class on email. If that were the case, I would just > email and not show up for class! And then there are those > that ask for my Powerpoints--I say no because of copyright violations. > > I have a strict attendance policy and elucidate it every > semester on the syllabus, and still last semester I graded 6 > students down out of ONE class of 16. > Chris > > PS thanks again all for clarifying how unclear statistics can be :) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katharine Thayer" <kthayer@pacifier.com> > To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca> > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:06 AM > Subject: Re: math question verrrrrry off topic > > > > Well, let's just say I was a little late to class that day, > and a little > > out of sorts when I got there. It might make a better > story if I could > > remember what grade he got, but I don't. But since the > class involved > > homework and written papers, which he hadn't done, and > since I graded > > strictly on pre-designated points for the assignments, > papers and tests, > > I can't imagine that he did very well at all. > > katharine > > > > > > > > On Jan 18, 2008, at 11:02 PM, Dave S wrote: > > > >> Wow, that guy had the nerve to ask it. I know > teachers/professors hate > >> that > >> question even when someone ask it after missing JUST ONE class. > >> > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Katharine Thayer [mailto:kthayer@pacifier.com] > >>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:35 AM > >>> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > >>> Subject: Re: math question verrrrrry off topic > >>> > >>> While we're way off topic, once when I was teaching > >>> statistics, a guy appeared at my office door just as I was > >>> going to the classroom to give the last lecture of the term, > >>> and said, "I haven't come to class all term; have I missed > >>> anything?" True story. > >>> kt > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jan 18, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Dave S wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Well, I am OT again. If it gets too much, just let me > know. I don't > >>>> know, somehow as I grow older, I seem to like things on > the lighter > >>>> side. > >>>> > >>>> Tonight I went to a meeting. I worked with university > >>>> > >>> students a lot. > >>> > >>>> Tonight I chatted to a young sophomore. He is really a smart guy. > >>>> During the > >>>> chat, I asked him how early did he have to go to school > >>>> > >>> (because it is > >>> > >>>> cold here in MI in the morning). He said it doesn't matter > >>>> > >>> because he > >>> > >>>> skipped most of his classes (he is an engineering student. > >>>> > >>> Engineering > >>> > >>>> subjects are more standardized and "fixed" especially for > >>>> freshmen/sophomores so you can learn them yourself from > >>>> > >>> textbook and > >>> > >>>> homeworks). > >>>> > >>>> Then he said, "for my 1st and 3rd semester I skipped > almost all the > >>>> classes, and I got a GPA of 3.9. The 2nd semester I > attended almost > >>>> all of my classes, and I got a GPA of 3.6; so my conclusion > >>>> > >>> is it is > >>> > >>>> better to skip classes." > >>>> > >>>> Talk about making conclusion from statistical data, huh? :-) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dave > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Katharine Thayer [mailto:kthayer@pacifier.com] > >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:49 PM > >>>>> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > >>>>> Subject: Re: math question verrrrrry off topic > >>>>> > >>>>> :--) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 18, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Diana Bloomfield wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hey Katharine, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I don't know-- maybe. I honestly didn't read the other > >>>>>> > >>> answers. :) > >>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Katharine Thayer wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hmm, I thought that's what we all already have said, isn't it? > >>>>>>> That that theoretical probability (1/4x1/4x1/4) would > >>>>>>> > >>> hold only if > >>> > >>>>>>> assumptions were met, and since assumptions are > >>>>>>> > >>> obviously not met > >>> > >>>>>>> (for example, judging is not a random lottery of course > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> but is done > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> on the basis of criteria, arbitrary or otherwise but > >>>>>>> > >>> certainly not > >>> > >>>>>>> random). Also, no one has said whether the 600 entries > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> are 600 works > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> or 600 people; I was assuming that they are 600 works > >>>>>>> > >>> representing > >>> > >>>>>>> fewer than 600 people, in other words people could submit > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> more than > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> one work, in which case, as I said, the number of works > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> submitted per > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> person would also have to be figured into the > equation somehow. > >>>>>>> Besides, if one person submits ten pieces and another > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> person submits > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> one, the ten pieces by the one person couldn't be considered > >>>>>>> independent entries in the same way one of those ten could be > >>>>>>> considered independent of the one from the other person, and > >>>>>>> independence is also an assumption that must be met > in order to > >>>>>>> consider the probability of acceptance to be the same for all > >>>>>>> entries. > >>>>>>> Katharine > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Jan 18, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Diana Bloomfield wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Okay, Chris. Here is it-- straight from my resident > >>>>>>>> > >>> statistician > >>> > >>>>>>>> here: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If they were the only 3 people from that institution > >>>>>>>> > >>> who applied, > >>> > >>>>>>>> AND if judging was completely random, then the > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>> probability of this > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> is roughly 1 in 64 (key word: roughly). If more than > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>> that applied > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> from this same institution, and only 3 got in, then the > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>> calculation > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> will be more complex. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hope that helps. :) > >>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Christina Z. Anderson wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Where else but this list can I ask these weird > questions about > >>>>>>>>> chemistry and math and computers and alt??? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> OK for you math people (Yves?): If there is a show and 600 > >>>>>>>>> entries, and 150 are accepted, there is a 1 in 4 chance of > >>>>>>>>> acceptance. If 3 people from the same institution are > >>>>>>>>> > >>> accepted > >>> > >>>>>>>>> what percent chance is that--is it 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 or a > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> 1.5% chance > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> or is it a more complex formula? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Forgive the off topic request but it does relate to > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> photo as 3 of > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> our program got into a photo show and I want to be able to > >>>>>>>>> mathematically brag about it to the dept. head/dean. > >>>>>>>>> Chris > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson > >>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor > >>>>>>>>> Photo Option Coordinator > >>>>>>>>> Montana State University > >>>>>>>>> CZAphotography.com > >>>>>>>>> _______________ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
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